I got my product guide for the 2009 season, pretty disappointed with the apparel lineup, if this is what they call trendy, Thats what I call needing to change to get people to buy the new shit.

I'll admit it, I like to buy new gear, I don't like to show off my stuf, I just want to be on the cutting edge of riding technology, I am by no means a GREAT rider, but I'm not a poser douche bag who thinks burton and Sean White's the shit. I'd like to be recognizable on the slope, not stand out... When I looked at TWS buyers guide I was hoping to find a new coat to buy because my old ones ready to be retired, but I cant see one coat I would be interested in buying.

I'f you didn't see the guide yet, i'll fill you in, in the apparel section, starting out, the first thing that stands out is a matching set by Rip Curl, called "Gore Ghetto Love" the coat is $370 and the matching pants are $270. Its basically a print of speakers and there brand name all over the place, horrible, horrible. Next item to catch my eye is a ONE PIECE camo suit... $449 by Ronnin (BURTON) Cant you get like the same thing from gander mountain for like a quarter of the price? if thats trendy then I guess i'm not... for the Ladies, I see parkas (not sure thats the right name) style coats with like six buttons on the front. and a $600 leather (look) one piece. on and on I'm seeing ugly obnoxious prints and ugly colors. The pants are not that bad though, but for the coats, it seems like they just changed style just to change.

(can someone please explain to me why burton made the "No fish" the $500 board with a rope and no bindings... sounds like something you buy for $39.99 at Walmart.)

I also got a pullout of the DC winter gear, I see a matching black and yellow coat, pant, boot and board! somebody please, its gotta take a lot of balls to rock all that shit, I would love to see it... also, its worthy noting that they have a coat and pant in a reflected silver kinda space suit deal... For some reason I remember people being really pumped because DC was making boards this year, now explain to me how DC wouldn't be like BURTON with there mass produced boards that don't get touched by humans until they got to the store...

Last year, I bought a pair of black Holden classics, there kinda tight around the thy and flair out for your boots, now when you rock this with a couple layers under there the best pants i've ever worn, no big pockets, or crazy shit hanging off them, just comfortable and not in the way, plus not too many people wear them so its kinda unique, Holden even has a full ad in the guide, there coats are not blinding colors and no crazy stripes and shit. great stuff.

All I want is a big puffy coat with a fur hood...

so unless your sponsored and(or) really (REALLY) good, wearing matching pants and coat is gay (We all know that, I hope), hey, and so is wearing 9 bandanas and frogskins. and if you buy DC's matching coat, pants, boots, and board, I want to take your picture because your the biggest douche bag to ever hit a slope

So If you buy into this years clothing lineup just remember, next year your stuff will be out of style, and you will have to buy more, saying that, i'll have to say that when it comes to the boards, the banana type reverse camber boards,looks like they make a lot of sense, and i'll admit that i'm going to probably buy into that this year when my DH is done.

So I guess i'll sum all this ranting up, where has the industry gone? and where the hell is it going?

well played sir

I know im not a fan, but im kind of biased since i only like solid colors.

But it must be trendy because people buy these types of things or the companies wouldn't do it.

Thats true... but usually the kind of people who rock the matching sean white outfit got it for christmas and ride like 4 times a year...

That's besides the point. It doesn't matter how many times a year they ride. If it sells, then the companies have achieved their goal.

After reading some of your post, I love buying new gear to. I have so much stuff i don't even need, but i continue to buy new stuff every year. Just seems it gets harder and harder to find stuff that i like, since a lot of the new stuff has insane patterns that i'd never wear. Most of which is draw up by people who are pretty much crazy.

As far as the No Fish goes. Im not sure if you've heard of NoBoarding yet or not, but thats what it's based off of. Go google "NoBoarding" and you'll see what it is. Someone in BC was board and put a rope and some pads on there old board to get a more surf like feel. I honestly things it's just another trend, and it will only work in Pow, but it might be cool for alittle bit.

Your right about that they gotta make $$$... But In addition, I'm no fashion expert but I don't think this stuff will sell that well, with the way things are these days, I don't think people will be shelling out the cash for this junk. I think you'll be seeing most of these items on the discount rack in february.

I disagree. Snow sports in general are already a sport for people who have some coin to drop. Some stuff will end up on the discount rack like every year, but people want to be different it's just part of our nature, so they'll buy some crazy looking jacket because they'll stand out and not every tom dick and harry will be wearing the same thing.

Noboarding hugh thats cool I bet that would be sick. But not to seem rude to that dude but shouldn't it be like NoBinding? lol jk but your right about that, its expensive... I guess they want to be different just like everyone else...

I guess i should have read your first post haha.

About DC boards, i got to look at them today. They seem to be very solid. A lot of the tech is from Lib and Gnu. They are pressed in Spain in the Rossi Factory to my knowledge. A few pros had a lot to do with the shapes of them.

As far as reverse camber, It looks like that is the future of snowboarding. I have yet to ride one, but from all the people i talked to, everyone has loved it.

Now its just finding the right one, the banana looks better this year but seems like its defiantly catching on i'll just wait till mid season to get a good deal and read some reviews... also, did you see rides contraband bindings with the rubber toe strap deal? so far I bought 2 pairs of ride bindings and love them...

yeah i usually like wearing solid colors maybe stripes or something but i don't really like the new crazy jackets and pants with like 5 different neon colors on them

Yeah i've seen the contraband binding. Im a bit skeptical on that one.

I rode Ride SPi's for the past 2 seasons and loved them, minus the horrid buckles that have been fixed since i bought mine. Im going to be on some Rome Targa's this year. I've heard nothing but good things about Rome bindings so we'll see.

I don't have any reason to read TWS, but I know TJ Shiller's new jacket is pretty wicked...
I'm too old and too big to wear something like that, but I think it's pretty wicked..




Then again WTF do I know... I think Fur is soooo Davy F'n Crocket and played out by people like Fat Joe....lol

Now I like that, its super clean, except it might be hard to keep clean, but yea thats the kinda coat i'm lookin for. and as for Romes bindings, yeah my brother got some last year, not sure what model, but the back was too stiff and he hated them, he liked my ride alphas much more I read some on the contraband's and there getting some good reviews, don't know about the durability of the strap but I'm sure they did there R&D and I have a feeling that there gonna b great...

dude I think a fur hood would be sick especially on those cold nights... but hey its my opinion.

personally i don't care for bright colors at all. i've always been an earth tone guy. on the other hand it s trendy right now across the entire realm of fashion, look at all the bright colored custom nikes and flat brimmed fitted hats. it is what is in right now and the industry is just putting out what people want. almost every company still carries the standard sold colors and earth tones if you actually look in the catalogs. so there is something out there for everyone, but of course tws is going to highlight the trendy shit.

all i gotta say is i'm stoked i finally found a good deal on a brown coat and brown plaid pants. been hunting down a good deal on that for years. it is all special blend so it is a little baggier then i'm used to, but i'll just flash some gang signs and toss some slang around to make it all cohesive, haha.

In my opinion i dont like anything ive seen this season as for outerwear. Weird designs with geometric shapes, weird color combos that really dont work.

I dont like multi-colored jackets/pants. To me ,its too much. This year im getting another pair of "denim" pants, and a cheap black jacket and im good.

Now wait a minute, is it really what the people want? or is it what's "Trendy" making it cool makes you say, ohh i gotta have that because its trendy. think about things you have bought, and think, would you have bought that 2 years before? did it make sense to buy distressed jeans? i'll admit, I have a couple pair of faded jeans but nothing with huge gapping holes in them, but that kinda came and went too... I'm sure there are items out there that we can all be satisfied with but my whole point is that the companies are trying to tell us what we should think is cool, now I'll buy into innovation... reverse camber sounds ingenious and if it will give me a better ride and give me a more satisfying run through the park i'll buy into it.

But hey, companies need to make money and they wont make it by people not buying new coats... i cant even imagine the mark up on the clothing, but if it helps for funding R&D on boots bindings and boards than... ahhh So i guess after reading what i wrote, I pretty much contradicted my self. but hey, its just an aggravated rant and thats what forums are made for!!!

Just buy what you like.I feel for the past couple of years clothing design(colors and style) have gone down hill.They always seem to have stuff in some earth tones though.To me that's classic and will never go out of "style".
It's there job to tell you what you need..and if you buy into that then they have done there job.

Orage... Very very rarely on any kind of discount and not a ton of people carry a lot of it. I think its just about made to order.

No discounts until the end of the year, but it isn't even close to made to order. Its everywhere if you look and the picture below shows I'm not talking out of my ass.

The ski bum carries orage...and that same jacket at their store in Newark, De. (different color though (maroon)
I believe I've seen orage at Nestors as well...
Plus there's a bunch of online places that sell orage..

You can get it, just not at places like Dick's, Sports Authority, or course...lol

http://www.whiskeymilitia.com/


thats a deal for you non discountee's!!!

that black one is tempting

I'm gonna say that if you took that much time to write that, and read that deeply into it, then you sir care too much about what people are wearing and whats trendy. Lighten up, worry about yourself, and have some fun.

hey, guess what, I had the time to write it that day and its something that has been bugging me for a long time... Writing about things that piss me off is a way for me to get it off my chest, ya know? I'm just frustrated because i've been looking for a good jacket that's for me for a while and when I look at what's "hot" i see a bunch of insane looking crap... but anyway, i'm over it. i'll just say what I wrote was basically a review of TWS's product guide.

Crappy pattern printed jackets piss you off? Sounds like you need to get out some more.

crappy pattern printed jackets piss me off too. trends in general piss me off because they're usually embarrassing and heinous.

mostly i'm just mad cause i've been rocking the same coat for about 6 years now, because i have yet to find anything i want to spend my money on... i keep thinking, next year, but then the stuff that comes out is uglier than the year before.

damn it, i just want to do what i do and look good doing it.

I'm only on year 4 for my jacket, and hey dan, yea, burton coming out with a $450 one piece camo jump suit kinda makes me say wtf? i'm sayin same as what ket said, i'm frustrated lookin for a jacket that I personally like and not finding anything, i'm not just out to get a new coat because I want to look cool, my coats ripped, faded, and the zippers broke... Not looking to make a fashion statement, just seeing a bunch of crappy jackets and cant find one i like.

What jacket are you looking for?

Your clearly not looking hard enough. I went through the phase of not being able to find a coat, but then i realized i just had to look at other "Less Known" brands and i found exactly what i wanted. The solid colors are still out there, they just don't get advertised because they are not eye catching like the odd patterned coats.

What are you looking for? I can probably find something.


But i don't get mad at companies for making different things. If thats what they want to make so be it. No reason to be like why do they make such dumb shit. I've disliked half the companies out there for a long time because of the weird prints they put on coats, but they are still in business several years later so i guess people continue to buy there stuff.

^^ Foursquare. Big and puffy with fur and no ridiculous prints.

like i said, open up a product catalog for almost any major brand and you will find a little of everything. burton is still making solid colors, plaids, and all sort of other stuff. i'm sure Foursquare, special blend, and a number of the other big names are as well. if it is all too expensive look on backcountry outlet, or any of the other online retailers. the stuff is out there man. you can't expect TWS to cover the same shit they did a year or two years ago. of course they are going to highlight the new trendy shit, if they don't they won't be considered new and trendy. and you know what happens then? yea they go out of business. simple as that.

God, this thread sucks.

Glenn, the only thing bag about that coat is that its probably to warm for this region, you could only wear in january/febuary.

he lives in CO

Alright I went far enough with trying to make a simple point... nick, sorry but I don't have any product catalogues from major brands, I usually try to find good deals on ebay, the house, milosports, tightboards, ect, I remember looking for a good deal on that foursquare coat but couldn't afford to pay $250-$300 on a coat, I will never buy anything burton... Maybe a helmet, (I know someone who got a proform card, the board was pealing top coat paint within a month, and the boots were ripped and it was suposta be a $700+ board.) , and nick, do you really think shredders really buy TWS for the latest fashion trends on the slope? I don't, maybe i'm wrong but i'll assume most people don't. I'm not saying that they shouldn't show those products because its the companies who are representing themselves, not the mag. As for the boots, bindings, boards and even gloves in the product guide, i really like them, I plan on buying the ride contrabands dfc, but come on man, does anybody else say wtf when they see a camo one piece? anyone?

I shouldn't have said that I haven't found anything, just nothing i could afford... As for what i'm looking for, i'll know it when I see it.

PM GrilledSteezeSandwhich for details.

1) you can find everything in a product catalogs on each companies website, but that isn't the issue here because you don't seem willing to pay for a new product anyway (and i don't blame you, i won't either). so why are you arguing with me about that?

2) do i think the world's "shredders" buy TWS to get the latest onslope fashions... well yea actually i do. people buy gear guides to get the latest tech, fashions, advancements, etc. i sort of thought that was the point of gear guides. to highlight the latest stuff... someone please correct me if i'm wrong.

3) all this being said, yea a 1 piece camo is hideous in my opinion, but i don't get all upset when i see it and bitch and moan about not being able to get a jacket. i don't like the new styles either but about 2 months ago i found a Special Blend pant and jacket combo for 130 bucks (which retailed for almost 600). my point wasn't to attack you, but to let you know stuff is out there. try google, it is this great new internet fad.

I just found out I get 20% off HH from Apple....

Nick nailed it but I'm taking a shot too.

1) Your right that the current trends are ugly as hell

2) The reason people are buying them are becuase of TWS gear guides and regular issues, pros wearing this crap, and good riders on the hill wearing it. Girls generally pick their asthetics independent of the current trend and go with what they like (and match). Guys either follow the trends, don't care, or aggressively buck the trend. I fall in the latter.

3) Every company still makes the plain colors

4) The choice of what colors to get are up to the shop owners. At my shop we'd get a handful of out there stuff (say 20%) and the other 80% was a lot more normal. And what did we have left over at the end of the year? Never any of the plain stuff was left, but we had a lot of camo at 50% off. As much as you see on the hill, it is a small fraction of the total.

5) You are more likely to see these patterns on crappy resellers like the House than in an actual store. Most manufactures don't sell direct to online sites.. IA regular retail store has a choice of 20 brands and can only carry a few, Why pick one where I have to compete with websites undercutting price because they don't have to pay for retail space or staff. So what you see online are overstock (like my old store http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?View...hcountrysports) being sold direct by retail stores, guys selling stuff off their pro form (which if caught their store could get a lot of shit for) and bulk overstock resellers. So many times people come into the store, waste our time trying on boots then go and try to buy them online to "save" and end up paying more, or can't find it.

Since your basically looking at left overs you are going to find the stuff people didn't like and thats why its ugly as hell. If you are buying through the normal channels you have your options, but you get screwed on price. (Trust me, I don't buy anything at full price either, it is too much). I've done 6 year end blow outs and the common thread is that the gear left is either too ugly, too expensive, or an odd size. I generally take the too expensive stuff, I'd rather have the high end board with last years graphics than a medium board with this years graphics. I generally do that for pants too, but jackets I really shopped for a good one no matter what the price. A jacket is the most durable piece of equipment you own. Pants get ripped/stain, boots pack out, boards & bindings break, helmets get dented, goggles get scratched, gloves rip, but there is not much that happens to your jacket. Divided over 5 years, a $300 jacket is worth it.

As for your friend's board sucking off a pro-form, that is not uncommon at all. A lot of pro-form stuff failed QA and is considered "2nd quality". Not all of it, but a lot of times they are.

Also, not sure if this is true everywhere, but at our store most of the year things are negotiable. From late october to Christmas you can't walk in and ask for a discount because everything is selling, but come January if you will pay $300 and the jacket you want is $400, and you tell the manager that, he will negotiate down from there. We have the price, the sale price, and the limit to where we don't make any money on the item but its gets it out the door. At some point you have to just start selling gear so you don't take a loss. I've sold lots of gear at prices where you make no money or lose money just to get rid of it. No one is going to list a board online that way because they don't have carrying costs like a store does.

That makes a lot of sense about the pro form stuf, and I guess it would make sense to just suck it up and get the jacket I want.

Jacket is the only thing I splurge on, they last a really long time and the difference between the right one and the wrong one is just too great. I haven't had any "hard" good lasts more than 60 days on the hill which is about 2 seasons for me, but the jacket will last 5+ years.

just hit WM for $90. black, brown, or white, all the sizes.

There's no way that puffy jacket with fur is good when it's raining/snowing..

my new jacket...

25K waterproofing and the fur on the hood is removable. i bet its pretty good.

its on WM again.

Coping my style from two years ago huh?

sick jacket jefferson! haha...oh, and what xnick said ^