We had this discussion last month about comparing apples to apples with
the ARM NAVY store in Whitehall selling cheaper prices than Nestors.

The ARMY NAVY store sells BURTON FLOW ARBOR and others
and
I just left there tonight with a BURTON AIR that was stickered at $400
and it was on the "LAST YEARS RACK" so the price is 50% off the sticker price.
I paid $212 with tax for a snowboard that other stores are selling for $500 now.

They had other boards stickered at $360 so they will sell for $180.
I wonder if Nestors sells their left over from last year Burton boards for $180.

Those boards are garbage, and overpriced for the quality. Far better off being a better board used.

SERIOUSLY!!!
LEARN HOW TO POST IN THE RIGHT FORUM TOPIC!!!!!!!!!!

Actually you bought a snowboard that burton no longer makes.

Sorry Sauruss ....Which forum topic was this supposed to be in?




Yes... but still..... its a Burton board and me and anyone else shopping boards could never
know the difference between this board and any other Burton board that NEstors, Army Navy, or
Blue Mountain Sports sells... with a jacked up price of $500 to $700.
So how am I supposed to pick a board when you can't try them out before you buy them
and the sales clerks aren't riders... they are sales clerks TOLD what to say by bosses who aren't rider.
We always have to buy boards before the snow falls here in PA so there is no way to "try before you buy" here.

ANYONE BUYING A BURTON BOARD IS BUYING A BRAND and expects that brand
to be the best brand because ...well... its BURTON.

And to Glenn who said:
Those boards are garbage, and overpriced for the quality. Far better off being a better board used.
I would ask WHO DEFINES this board as garbage? What defines its quality? Its ride? Your ride?
Some company rider who gets paid to ride Burton boards in the half pipe?
Does this board suck for grinding rails?
Does this board suck for ollieing or half pipe or ski jumps?
Really... what is wrong with this board that you say this board is garbage?
DO YOU RIDE 4 hours every day all season .. from opening to close December to April like I ride?
How can this board be Garbage if it was made by Burton?
If Burton makes garbage boards then perhaps we no longer should trust the Burton name brand.
It doesn't bother me that you say this board is garbage.
I'll let you know if this board is garbage.
Oh... ...and if does suck then I'll ride one of my 3 other snowboards this winter.
At least I wouldn't have thrown away $700.

AND
Can you EVER buy any snowboard board USED and trust it?
You don't know how many jumps and how hard any snowboard was abused crashing off rails
and rocks so you never know just how good or bad any used board has been beat up.
The ski shops Ptex the holes and sharpen the edges, clean up the crap and then what?
You've got lipstick on a pig.... and its still a pig.... you know it by the guy who sells it...who says
it was a great board and tells you how much fun he had with it.

No.... I'll stick to buying boards new and cheap before trusting "a better used board" .... and the $300 I saved pays for the season pass to play all winter.

I'll ride this $200 board 2000 times this winter
and then next year I'll buy another Burton board, for $200
while the rest of the boarders get suckered into a $700 board and never use it because they
can't afford lift tickets.
And then you see those $700 BURTON Customs selling on EBAY after sitting in a closet in Delaware
for 3 years never getting to see any snow time.
Thats a used board I would buy cheap also.
Its easy to ask a board owner how often they went and when they say 3 times in 3 years and
the board looks totally brand new... you just know it was a in a closet for 3 years....
not a lipsticked pig.

Holy crap..learn how to write in paragraphs and sentences..my head is tired from reading your post..

Haha, this made me laugh. Burton Airs were 380-400 at the most. I bet you, that Glenn rides harder and more days then you this year. I just have a hunch.

Burton airs are softer flexing all mountain intro boards. They are the equivalent of the rec. ski. Fine if you are a beginner, not worth the money otherwise. Even a beginner can get used gear for cheaper.

And come on, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if a used board is good or crap. Look for base repair, look for edge repair. Flex the board and feel for stiffness and cracks in the core. Sure you will never know 100% but you can still make a wise decision AND you can get gear for far cheaper that way.

The arbor and flow boards are even cheaper than the burton air and you can find them all over the internet for rock bottom prices.

I'll just ignore the comments about how much riding we do alone for now.

Don't drag down a good shop with your baseless generalizations of things you have limited knowledge of. It is apparent that you don't have a good grasp of quality service, product, or experience. While some customers don't need these things because they have the knowledge to do their own work, most people could use them. For instance, I have many friends who insist on a full blown race setup, but would ski better on equipment more suited to their weight, skill, and skiing style. Most employees at a quality shop like Nestors are able to provide knowledgeable advice on matters such as these, snowboard or skis. Competition in the form of other stores like Army Navy is good to have, but when it comes to local reputation and quality of staff, Nestors blows them out of the water.


Also, while Burton does make some very expensive boards, some of which are a high quality product, they also produce and sell crap. Their decision to offer packages (boot, board, bindings) at box store prices in box stores have tarnished their reputation among many in the snow sports community. The product is one step in between the "snowboard" sleds they sell at Wal-Mart with no edges, and a true entry level board. It is a business decision that they made, and they feel that they can do enough marketing and team sponsorship within the core community to keep their reputation high for their more quality oriented product.

I'm a big fan of buying last years gear, but I do appreciate buying quality gear. If I didn't I would out-ride it. If you got a good board for $200, then good job dude. You know how many people on here have gotten better deals than the one you found? The difference is that I don't see many other people getting online and saying how much of a shit store their local shop is because they were selling the brand new 2008 product for more money. You said there was a discussion about comparing apples to apples, which is fine. However, you're comparing apples to oranges. Listen, read, and learn before you open you go spoutin' off.

I ALWAYS make sure I buy a board that is solid on ski jumps. You should see my aerodynamic helmet I rock.


Nah, Glenn is truely a panty waste. Always pushing his gear to the max on double greens. So def not experienced.


Wow, def took the words right outta my mouth there.


We all eagerly await your review.


$180x4 = 720. You're right you didn't waste 700 dollars you wasted 720... 720 woot! yea! like the trick. never mind that totally makes it worth it then.


shred it brah, just shred it.


i SO wish i was like hip to the jive.

That right there is a ridiculous statement just to let you know. While you obviously cannot tell the difference, there are tons of people who can. They will as a result be riding better than you this year. Learning the differences between snowboards is not rocket science and absolutely makes the difference.
You're trying to tell us that there is no difference between all of the blue jeans on the rack at the store. Just pick any old one and they will be the same. No. They have different waists, lenghts, cuts and materials. They all make a difference when you put them on. The same properties apply to boards.


This is where you sit down and do some research or go to a shop. I would recommend you go to a shop because you have little or no knowledge of snowboards whatsoever. The guys at ski shops are skiers and riders who know whats up. Yeah they are trying to sell stuff, but they know what to sell you. A good shop tech will make your days on the hill better than before because they can put you in the gear that is right for you.


Naive statement all around. Do you really think everything Burton makes is the be all and end all of snowboarding? Maybe all those other companies should close because everything Burton puts out is pure gold.


I'm going to call you out on this. If you really ride that much you would know the differences between snowboards.


Really?


Damn, you've got 3 other boards. I bet they are all Burtons and perfect in every way. I bet they all slash hard on east coast ice, yet you are still pretty good buttering around on them too. I'm jealous I should get another Burton.


Look at the damn thing, flex it look at the edges. If it passes a knowledgeable person's inspection then I'm sure its fine. A lot of people (some of the best riders in the state) rock used gear


How many boards are even on the market for $700? Maybe a handful at best. Even if there is a phenomenal $700 board, the people who know what they are doing will just wait til next year to scoop one up. 80% of the members here get last years models. Again, if you really ride that much you could tell the difference between boards. Unless you're just straight lining blue squares all day every day (oh hell even then) you would get to understand what is going on with that thing attached to your feet.


Listen Robert, I don't want to just rip you up here, but try to take it with a grain of salt. We know what we're doing around here. If you were right don't you think that the majority of people here would be grabbing up cheap boards at the Army Navy? Most of us get stuff online because we can tell just what we need and order it also it saves major money.

actually, a lot of customers could tell the difference between that board and other boards on the wall. burton sets their prices for all their gear, and generally, most shops abide by that. the prices are printed in their catalog each year if you don't believe me, so nestors or any other shop that uses those prices are not jacking up the price at all. also, if you come into nestors, you're not buying from some sales clerk who's told what to say about certain boards. you're talking to a snowboarder (or skier, in the ski shop) who has more than likely ridden the board you end up buying. part of working in a reputable shop involved trying out the product that you sell, so you can better educate yourself and your customer as to what would work best for them. i've skied a ton of different skis over the years, and know exactly what works for me, and based on that, i can tell if a ski will work for someone else according to what they tell me. sorry if you've had bad experiences at others shops where employees don't know their product, but i assure you that is not the case at nestors.

Dear Robert2,
YOU SUCK AT POSTING
i was wondering how you are going to ride a $200 snowboard 2000 this season? last time i checked their were only 365 or 366 days in a year, and if you just talking about runs than you are not planing on riding a whole lot this season are you. as for your comments about it being a Burton product their for it must be good, That is stupid not every product that any company makes is the best. that is why their are these things called consumer reviews which allow you to understand how other people feel about a product be for you drop some bank on it. I also hope you were not trying to impress by saying you have 3 other snowboards.On the topic of Glenn knowing anything about snowboarding or if he snowboards frequently, i expect him to double the number of days you snowboard, quadruple the vert you "rack up", and have the ability to beat you in any facet of snowboarding. Unfortunately you will not be able to challenge him to a Chinese down hill cause he will be in Colorado for the winter.

Hopefully i never meet you on the slopes,

Bringer Of Death

Haha I love the new guys not knowing anything about anyone on the forum. Glenn is probably one of the hardest if not the hardest rider you will ever meet.

Ride it 2000 times? wtf does that even mean?

You just contradicted yourself. You said that someone can dress up a used board so it looks new but it could have been beat to sh*t. But then you said you can tell if it was used 3 times in 3 years. Hmmmmmmmm

this fire is running out of lumber, let the man rebuttal so we can burn some more.

Hey guys, I think he gets the point. He doesn't need to be everyone's punching bag.

damn it, get outta my head mind thief!

We're different but the same.

indeed. i'm just after more fuel.
(slow day at work)

That is a good price, but not a GREAT price.

Boards I have personally sold at 200 dollars the year after

Ride Business (Normal price $750)
GNU Altered Genetics (Normal price $650)
Arbor Crossbow, A-Frame (Normal price 500+) etc.
Lib tech riders choice (400 something)
Lib tech danny kass (500 something?)

30-50% is normal for year old gear, greater than 50% off is rare but always something will sell that way.

The Air normally sells at a shop for 350, and it is an intermediate board. That was the lowest rung on the Burton ladder we sold at our store, they we rented the Blunt which is lower.

That said, I don't know if I'd call it GARBAGE, it is a decent board for what it aims to be, but it doesn't aim to be a really stiff board, but an easy turning board for groomers and what not. Based on what you said your riding style is in other threads it probably will be a good fit.

Really you can't go wrong with a board that price, I've taken some boards I'm not huge on based off of price and they're good enough.

pshhhh. nestors sucks and so does glenn. i bet he bought a board there for $455 over the asking price and only rode 3 times last year on holidays only. pshhhh.

indeed. i'm just after more fuel.
(slow day at work)




OK..... lets see.... perhaps a few people missed where this came from....
it wasn't about local shop bashing.... my local shops have sold me
$10,000 worth of mountain bikes, snowboards, boots, bindings, skis, kayaks,
rock climbing harnesses for my family of 5 for the last 15 years.
I just bought 3 padagonia capilene number four baselayer shirts for $255 at Blue Mountain sports
in Jim Thorpe. I bought skis at Alpina last year. I support local ski shops and big time.
I could mail order anything but I ALWAYS buy from a local shop if I can.
I'm a retired snowboard instructor and my kids are all grown and have kids now.
I've always supported local businesses. The knock against Nestors was a totally
different issue where Nestors didn't make good on a $150 goggle problem.
Again..... this isn't about professionals verses kid clerks in any of these stores.
I have purchased the best gear in the past at premium prices mid winter
but as I grow old and stupid I figured I'd pinch a few hundred dollars and
buy boots and bindings and snow clothes in the summer and buy last year's
model snowboard as soon as they put stuff on the rack in the winter.

I posted the original HALF PRICE at ARMY NAVY message just to share
this fact so if someone could not afford a high price tag snowboard this winter then
maybe they would consider blowing $200 on a "last years model" board
at the ARMY NAVY store.

MANY snowboarders get only a few days a year on the snow so if a cheap Burton board
can be bought at the ARM NAVY store I thought I was helping those guys who can't
afford the $400 snowboards.

The "used board..lipstick on a pig.... verses the closet board" is always a crapshoot...
you take your chances with any used board but the owner usually is the dead give away
with used boards.

I never said I only ride Burton boards.... I said I just bought a Burton Air for $200
at the ARMY NAVY store after spending 5 hours in Whitehall in a bunch of stores
listening to a bunch of store clerks tell me why I should buy one board over
another ....and everything cost $500 or more.... just for the board....
I already have boots and bindings.... so I'm not looking for a package deal.
So after being totally over saturated with hours of sales talk in multiple stores I
asked a clerk if he had any cheap boards I could bang the shit out of on rails in the
park and not care I was busting it to shit because it was a cheap board...
to which he replied.... Yea... here... we have a rack of last year's boards at half price.
So I snag a Burton AIR for $200 and get told its garbage by this forum.
Oh well. I thought I bought a Burton quality item, and still am pretty sure I bought a
Burton quality item.

I can't tell you how many sales clerks have tried to sell me snowboards for me
and my kids for the last 15 years that had absolutely not a clue about the products they were selling.
It always boiled down to pricing and them trying to impress me with some kind
of deal of I was getting because I was buying a top of the line quality product from
the industry leader... BURTON.
I don't buy a board because it has cool graphics.
I buy a board because I'm going to ride it 2000 times down a hill.
I'd like to trust it was manufactured to withstand my fat 220 pound ass carving ribbons on edges
all day long on solid ice Pocono hardpack without popping Tnuts out of the board or
cracking the deck itself.
So when Burton offers a product line called CRUZER and CUSTOM and DOM and AIR
and sales clerks really can't give me any real reason to pay $400, $500 or $700 for
a board other than "ITS GOT THE NEWEST BURTON engineering in it".......
I'm not so inclined to believe any Burton board I buy would EVER be a bad snowboard.
They ALL have Burton engineering it them.

I'm retired. I have all the time in the world to play now.
I kayak 5 miles every weekday ......for the last 6 months around Mauch Chunk Lake......
and then as soon as they open I go snowboarding.
I take the bus to Jack Frost at 10 AM every weekday.
I'm on the snow riding by 11AM and come off the snow between 3 and 4PM
for 14 weeks.
I'll get to ride hills and lifts 2000 times this winter.
And NO
I have never ridden a rail or a jump.... or a double black diamond.
As a grandparent I expect to play longer if I don't break bones while playing.
As you get older you take longer to heal. I found out the hard way last year when
I got an arm full of stitches from long board skate boarding.
Yea... Santa skates too.
It took 6 weeks to heal.
I just ride very fast downhill, again and again and again all winter.
For 3 or 4 hours.
I carry 2 bottles of water, 2 cans of V8 juice, and munchie power bars
with me and never come in off the snow until its time to leave.
I'm not there for the party. I'm there to ride.
And ride as much as I can for 14 weeks.
5 degrees.... or 50 degrees.... sun, rain, snow, fog.... it doesn't matter....
I still go every day. And midweek skiing never has ANY lift lines and rarely even has
more than 5 people on any hill so its like I have the place to myself all winter.
13 years ago when I was an instructor they told me we had to teach snowboarding
no matter what the weather was.
People come and pay for a lesson so we must teach them, regardless of temperature or
rain or snow or wind or mud or slush or solid blue ice.
So when you get as old as me and don't know if you will be breathing tomorrow you
don't NOT GO because the weather is too warm, to cold, too windy.
You ALWAYS go and dress for all conditions and just go ride.

What will YOU be doing every week day this winter?

There's yer fuel.

If you know so much about Snowboards..why do you spend 5 hours listening to store clerks in Whitehall..and by the way..I'm a proud Whitehall resident..next time your in town..PM me and we can do lunch at the Olive Garden or something or if you like Chilis..Skifreak will want to join us as well because he likes the fajitas..MSY..Mad Steezy Yo..wow I thought I'm long winded..you wrote a freakin essay..

You are hardcore in my book..skiing everyday for 14 weeks straight is awesome..and V8 is a great drink filled with vitamins and low in calories..I look forward to you posting some great trip reports and hopefully you can get down to Blue..for a PASR day..

i stopped listening to store clerks once i found google

Holy shit! I'm not reading that.

R2, I don't know what to tell you. You posted up about Flow and Arbor boards. They are just lousy. The burton air is in my opinion substandard because it's not stiff enough to be a cruising board, and a little too expensive for a jib board. I've heard enough bad things about their noodly boards to stay away.

You're not the only one who ride in all weather everyday. I hope to be doing what you are when I'm your age. Being a complete cheap skate and needing solid gear because I did ride park, and do ride double diamonds. I can't afford to replace gear mid season if it breaks. I also have to trust gear on must make moves. Bottom line, I'd rather be on a better board than a burton air, even if it's used.

They would never sell a "bad board". There is no "bad board", there are just WRONG boards for people. However it seems like you just to to Frost every day and lap the blues, as a result, you got lucky and the Air will certainly serve your purpose.

i'm calling troll on this one folks. we've got one thread (this one) where he is claiming to be an x snowboard instructor, and another thread where he can't even figure out how to size himself for a snowboard. seems to me like someone who held a job teaching other's to snowboard should know a thing or two in that area.

either way there robby, enjoy that deal ya got.

keep us up to date on it's performance though...
just kidding please don't...
but really please report back soon.

Just realize that this was probably directed at me. Well every week day I'll be sitting on my ass working, and counting down the minutes until I can get out and climb, ride, or kayak. Stick around though, it will make my days in the office much more amusing.

[quote name='GrilledSteezeSandwich' date='Nov 5 2008, 09:48 PM' post='209062']
If you know so much about Snowboards..why do you spend 5 hours listening to store clerks in Whitehall..and by the way..I'm a proud Whitehall resident..next time your in town..PM me and we can do lunch at the Olive Garden or something or if you like Chilis..Skifreak will want to join us as well because he likes the fajitas..MSY..Mad Steezy Yo..wow I thought I'm long winded..you wrote a freakin essay..


I don't drive any more on account of impaired vision so I take the bus from Jim Thorpe to
Whitehall because you have all those malls and Nestors and sporting goods chain stores.
I spend hours with all these store clerks because my local ski shop is Blue Mountain Sports and
they only have a very small selection of snowboards.... types and sizes.
I bought skis last year at Alpina ski shop (940 snowboards) ...a mile away from JAck Frost
because I wanted to finally learn how to ski. I took lessons. Had a blast. Bought skis the next day.
Even with Alpinia...its a selection issue again... local small shop verses the valley.
I figured I don't ski much so buying from Alpina supports local businesses and I do like my skis.
So I head down your way and see what I can find out about what the industry offers now.
Last year I bought a Silence MRI 155 from www.boardsforless.com for $120.
The year before I bought a Silence 155 from a guy on ebay WITH Burton bindings for $110
who never got any time on the snow....so ..yes... a used board from a non-rider.
I had not been on the snow in 6 years while I was in hospitals on morphine so I figured I'd
ease back into snowboarding by going real cheap ...buy a used board on EBAY and see if I
remembered how to snowboard after being laid up for 6 years.
I was carving ribbons the width of sidewalks by the 3rd time down the hill and the adrenaline
pumping me up was better than any drug I'd ever done.
So the next year I bought that boardsforless MRI 155 thinking I had fun on the EBAY board...why
not get another Silence. I rode that board 2000 times . Got my money's worth.
SO I try to find out ANYTHING about silence and there is nothing on the web about who makes
Silence boards.

So this year I figured I'd check into Burton. A reputable stable name brand
BUT
the product lines are freaking ghosts.....
I can't find anything I need to know about the boards on the web.
Or maybe its just me.
Burton's web site says a lot about clothes and very little about snowboards.
So I'm on a fact finding mission when I head south to the valley and all these people selling
snowboards and so many of them really clueless about the products.

I didn't really spend 5 hours shopping snowboards... only 4 hours.
I also went to BestBuy and bought a UPS and then to Guitar Center where I bought my bass.
But really.... its lots of fun shopping for snowboards when they have such huge selections.
Its not the same as my home town shop with 12 boards on display and 2 are my size.... and only
the $500 and $700 priced boards.
Then we get to graphics.
I don't want a board with bling gold chains from DC boards or
a board with skulls and dead shit.
I watched medovac lifeflight helicopter pull head injury kids out of Jack Frost countless times
last year. I don't need any death shit on my snowboards.

I get to the valley once a twice a month by bus. with Christmas coming I'm sure I'll be down your
way again.

i'm not even going to try and read this shit anymore. i might have to make another addition to the block list soon...

if this isn't an alias, i may have lost faith in human beings.

troll? huh?
x snowboard instructor.... did it for 5 years... one year full time days then night lessons 4 years.

I walked into Big Boulder 13 years ago and asked how to become an instructor.
They asked me if I would show up at 8AM all winter.
Then they asked me if I wanted part time or full time.... full time being 4 days or more a week.
I said 6 days of paid snow time sounds fun to me.

They paid instructors to teach the new bunch of instructors and hundreds of skiers every year
would come and say they would teach...because EVERY SKI INSTRUCTOR GOT FREE SEASON PASSES
FOR THEIR ENTIRE FAMILY.
So anyone who could ski a little came out to be an instructor hoping to get the free season passes
for their families. IF you had 3 kids and a wife that skied you were making out big time there
because you could show up for 3 or 4 lessons a month on busy weekends and your whole family
skied free all winter.
So to weed out the riffraff they charged $150 for Instructor Training Class.... ITC....and $250 for
a North Face red uniform jacket....if you got hired.
Then after 2 weekends of ITC they picked the top 30 NEW instructors and everyone else was
just out $150.

So I said gee...wow.. I didn't know so many people wanted to be snowboard instructors.
They blinked and said YOU... YOU want to be a snowboard instructor? NOT a SKI instructor?
And I said I don't know how to ski, is that a problem, I only snowboard.
They then said they waive the $150 ITC fee and hired me on the spot.
Because...
You see... back then they had brand new snowboards to rent but the only people
who knew how to TEACH snowboarding back then were skater rats, kids, and surfer dudes, who
had no work ethic so they wouldn't show up for work at 8AM, would miss lessons, go ride
, get lunch, miss lessons, get high, go ride, and bug out when it got dark and icy, and
yes... miss the 6PM lessons.
The SKI instructors were a whole other breed of dicks who would have nothing to do at all with
this great band of snowboard lowlifes.... and of course...would have nothing to do with
learning how to snowboard themselves.

Sooooo...I got hired because I'm an adult.
Their first snowboard instructor adult.
I looked old.... beard and bald...
and I would show up at 8AM for the job like an adult and none of this kiddie shit blowing off lessons.
They also required ALL of the SKI instructors to learn to be snowboard instructors
because they couldn't keep selling lessons and the damned kids wouldn't show up
to teach.
Then they said it works both ways... I had to learn to ski and teach skiing also.
I said that if I tried to ski and got injured I would be out of the snowboard teaching for the
winter and we can't have that happen now could we.
So then they said I don't have to ski now but will have to learn at the very end of the season.
They had just started renting shaped skis back then and at the very end of the season with
maybe 2 weeks of mashed potato snow I then finally had 3 ski lessons and then did not ski again
until last year.
So... yes... I was a snowboard instructor and that first year did it full time 6 days a week.
I taught more than 500 kids how to snowboard that year...sent 5 to the hospital...all were treated and released.....and I did school groups of 30 kids at a time
after school... 6 PM to 8 PM at night on solid ice hardpack.
Big Boulder used to be open all day long and the surface would be pocked with foot prints
and then when the sun went down each foot print froze and made little craters and sharp gopher
holes. There were very few days of teaching on powder.
So... yes... ICE is NICE. Learn to ride ICE and then SPEED is GOOD.


I hope you found this amusing.
What I find amusing is the guys saying they can't read long posts.
As if they posting "HOLY SHIT I'M NOT READING THAT" is why we read forums.
Yea ... I look forward to finding more insightful and meaningful posts from Toast and First Grade Teacher. Not.

Picture or it didn't happen...

YES there are pictures...
and actually film also.
Real film.
They made some advertising films for Big Boulder and had film crews
filming lessons one day.
I'll see what I can track down.
It was over a decade ago.

Working, going to class, lifting, baseball, possibly skiing. Thanks for asking.

I will be hitting up JF quite often this year and I look forward to skiing with you!

I need to stop reading Roberts post or I'm going to be late for work..

Yes I used to be a paperboy
I delivered newspapers
to peoples homes
I delivered the Morning Call
I would wake up early
and deliver them
to lots of different
houses in my neighborhood
some of my customers
would say thank you for the newspaper
but some of them I never saw
I delivered the newspapers really early
in the morning when it was dark outside
the newspaper is a paper filled with news
the ink would get on my hands and
I made about a dollar per week per customer
At Christmas some of my customers would
tip me..yes they would give me money
I could put the money in the bank
or I could go to stores and buy things with the money
It was good exercise because I did alot of walking
some paperboys did their route on a bike
or rollerblades

We had a special paperboys day at Dorney Park
I went on a ton of Rollercoasters
There was free hot dogs and soda
I like soda because it is sweet
and it makes me burp
now I drink diet soda because I'm fat
Do you like soda? yes it's fun to drink soda
from a straw..especially if it's bendy
I used to drink soda at the High School football games
There were lots of pretty girls
I was nervous to talk to them
but now I'm not nervous to talk to them
but most of the pretty girls are married
some are into girls and are Lebanese or Lesbian or something
I don't understand it but when I see two girls kiss
It makes me feel funny in my pants
So anyway we should ski together
at Big Boulder
I'll have my Mom make us sandwiches
and I'll bring them in my backpack
and we can eat them on the lift
and then ski
Do you like Ham and Steeze???

Ok that was just stupid.....funny as hell and I'm sure that was your intent... oh man...

being an instructor means nothing anyone can be an instructor. i have seen countless instructors who have trouble making it down a blue square let alone actually knowing something about the sport. exspecting an instructor to know things about snowboarding is like expecting the kid at the grocery store who stocks shelves to know something about cooking food, it just doesn't happen very often.

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH YEEEEEESSSSSSSS
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!
HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!!!!!

ANYONE THAT WOULD HIRE ME TO BE INSTRUCTOR after ONE YEAR of snowboarding
was really desperate for instructors!!!!!

But you miss the point about being an instructor.
It doesn't matter if you are GREAT at snowboarding black diamonds.
All that matters is that you can teach the new kids how to stop and turn and ride down the
hill in control and how to get on and off the lift.
Thats it.
Thats all.
Do just that much and no more and you have a ski resort that will generate new riders every year
who PAY to have fun and WILL return for more fun year after year.
Do anything less and you have a skate park and a date with a medovac.


SO then as you wait for lessons all day long you , the instructor with no students MOST of the day
during week days, you get to ride, and ride you do all day long and get paid for it.
Yea.... paid by the hour to ride.....even if you aren't teaching lessons.
Its a job. Punch a clock... get paid by the hour.
OH , and when you teach, you get tips.
You might be too young to remember the time when skiers were only rich people and
a ski lesson was done with great care to protect the life of the student....
and the student, students parents, tipped you for not getting them killed.
Lessons cost $70 and tips were usually $20 to $50 for private lessons.
SO IF YOU EVER TAKE A LESSON remember to tip the instructor.
They are like waiters, they work for tips, not the $6 an hour hourly pay rate.

Instructors can be certified also.
These people are serious about learning how to teach.
So when you say ANYONE can be an instructor you have separate the levels of
these people's commitment to being an instructor.
Some just teach the new kids and some really learned how to fly the jumps and ride half pipe.


Either way.....
I spent 8 hours a day, 6 days a week, for 12 weeks at BB and got paid for it.
It was one of the best job I ever had.

I don't know, maybe I"m the only one and if I am I'll shut up, but it just seems absolutely ridiculous that you could have spent that much time on the snow and HAVE NEVER PROGRESSED as a rider.

If Big Boulder pays its instructors for just being there then I am definitely working there! I have never heard of a mountain that pays its instructors 8 hours whether they teach or not. I love this alias. Keep going!

The office manager at my work says your posts are painful..

R2 $6 x 8 hr = $48 a day - tax probably around $40 a day. does that even cover the cost of lunch at the ski resort?

Seems fishy fo sho.


x2. if this guy is for real though i think i'd love to meet him.



What does she say about yours?

ditto.

make that three. Robert2 lets shred!!!!!

I was an instructor at Elk, and I highly doubt JFBB pays its instructors by the hour. Lessons happen at scheduled times... Why would they pay you to be there when they know there isn't going to be a lesson?