Hey people... my name is keith and i just signed up with pa ski and ride. i live in milford up there in pike county. my post here is about shawnee mountain. it looks to me like i'm going be working somewhere in the park department this winter. last year when i went to shawnee i wasn't to impressed to be honest, the rails were okay... boxes a lil sticky... but the setups.......... absoultly horrible! anyone have some good ideas on what they would like to see? bigger jumps, better trannies, BETTER SETUPS? let me know so i can do my best to help out. ttyl peace

Welcome to pasr. Ummm not to me be rude but there paark wasn't good in anything. I will come up with some ideas later. Glad some one wants to make the park better.

I remember arguing with kink rider about their park. Guess I was right.

Welcome to PASR - Shawnee really pushed the park last year and we tried it once, it was a let down compared with all the hype - maintenance seeemed to be the problem. prolly due to all the traffic just riding over the lips.


If just one place concentrated on making a decent half pipe - maybe...... just do one thing and do it well would be a suggestion

hey man thanx for the post... im not taking anything personally lol, i totally agree with you that their park sucked... im just trying to play it down just bc im prob gonna be working there. Im def all about improving their park, hopefully everyone can pitch in and call that park their own, and finally get some good setups for everyone to enjoy.

to be honest with you, i need to just ask one question... how good of a rider are you? because if want a good pipe, head to creek sometime after the grandprix, a few days later is the best... it gets cut to perfection with 20' walls and a perfect drop in... once their snowmaking gets going creek has one of the best pipes around.

How good of a rider?? I am the best - nobody throws down bigger or better with more steeze than me!! hahah... MC after the Grand Prix, thanks for the tip, when is the grand prix next season? I wasn't thinking about MC - you are right about the best pipe in previous seasons. I was just thinking of the PA mountains, my bad...

You suck you can't do anything ^^^^^^ Ummmm how about a half pipe, 60 foot rail, and 60 foot jump I'll come with some real stuff later.

well im not gonna lie... shawnee's pipe is basically a hole in the ground, that def needs to be in better shape. Coming from jersey I def can see a diffrence in pipes hands down. 60' jumps sounds good, at least one of them... hopefully we can get shawnee to throw in a better jump line this year with some decent lips and bigger trannies. id say with their park size you could fit in 3 good jumps... if u start from the side of the pipe (aka hole in the ground) you might be able to agin enough speed for a 25'... then a 30'... and hopefully push it to 50' + if you can carry your speed from the trannies of the first two. I envy you skiers, i dont wanna hear any crying from snowboarders either, we all know they get way more speed to clear shit. thanks for the tip, ill be checking in!

yea the rail setups and pipe sucked big time last winter at their park, the jumps were pretty good though....still a good improvement from their previous park

i heard their lips sucked, and they had minimal transition space and steepness... I just hope they dont promote something again that they cant deliver. what were their biggest hits? anything over 35'?

i dont think shawnee had jumps last season, just tall lumps.

thats funny shit right there... lets hope it changes

any day now they will be posting their opening day...the only time I ride at shawnee is when they are the first to open. I think 2 years ago they opened the day after thanksgiving.

ha shawnee has to open early because they made a commitment to their timeshare holders that they will have skiing by a certain time. If they get real desperate they would probably buy ice and grind it up and call it snow. Even when they do make snow early, they usually have like a 6" base which is bad news for your ski/board base.

who cares lol, i jus wanna ride

im with you man.

If it's just the groomed ice they call snow around here, does it matter if its 6" or 60"?

As long as nothing comes through and it doesn't melt who cares how thick it is.

The leaves are falling.... winters coming

I would ski shawnee all the time if it were the only place open

Well, my point is you have a better chance of hitting a rock or some other pieces of debris with a 6" base compared to a 60" base. Now I'm not saying you can't hit anything with a 60" base, but its less likely.

Different ski area's have different focus's. Blue obviously wants to push the fact that they have the most vert. Camelback wants to be THE resort in the pocono's, bear wants the best park, and shawnee wants to be the first open. The mountains are shooting for a certain market, based on the facilities available. Good, bad or indifferent they all have different goals. Best to find the mountain that suits you best.

^^^^^ what he said!!!!

nicely said, this year will be interesting

If I get this job wed. It would be cool to have an S-box at shawnee, actually just some harder and longer features... most of their stuff last year didnt have much gaps onto the jibs, at least not that i could recall, i kinda felt like a pussy riding through there... any thoughts?

Hey,

alright, im a regular at shawnee. atleast 4x a week. All they need to do is learn to setup things. I have a lot of expierience in the park, maybe you've seen me before (last year i had a BRIGHT PINK snowboard, and all black jacket and pants) hahah.heres couple improvements

learn to cut the pipe

do not put Jumps and rails on the same "plateau". Put a his and hers on those.

Setup the Down flat down as a Down flat down. haha not up flat up. Just put it going down a downslope.

Put somerails on the backside of the rail garden plateaus. make the flat rail a downrail, it owuld go much better.

DO NOT make huge kickers up to the rails. make smooth jumps up to them. no ride on, just dont put them on HUGE mounds aka, the Down flat down.

Utilize all the room next to the pipe, put a box there or something there. theres plenty of room for a rail or two.

SETUP THE WALLRIDE, on the last rail plateau. PLEASE! no where else, that would be by far the best go at the wallride. make the up to the plateau the tranny, and then sttraight up, or whatever onto the wallride.

Stick some rails after the plateaus.

Make the C box hittable from both sides (we did this last year, if you remember, it was a sick setup)

If you've ever been to creek,setup the rails like that. I dont mean, try to be creek, i mean try to make them gap on, and an actualy hop. That way, more people are intimidated and it scares the crap out of them.

PARK PASS!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!

Resurface all boxes, there bubbles.

Make the jumps, farther back, meaning bigger gaps. you can get soooo much speed, and there was nothing you can do, because they were small, you could overclear the landings SOOO EASILY. i cannot count how many times i did that.
Like i said, make a his and hers, so someone that isn't too good, can still hit the smaller one.

make MORE JUMPS. more variety. You can easily through two NICE JUMPS on the first plateau with the DFD. its a REALLLY NICE long landing. PLEASE make this the good jump this year, as last year, sadly, the tabletop was better, but because its a table top, everyone rolls over it.

PARK CREW!!!!!!!!! you need it. you can't do without it. We need to keep the kids who can't even ski, out of the park. im not talking the kids who are trying boxes and suck, i mean the kids on leashs and teh kids whos no more than 3 feet, pizza down the whole trail

Well finally something useful on this board! We'll I would like to introduce myself to you, My name is Keith and I am the park crew, thats right... me and really only me. This year I will hope to have major influence on shawnee's park. I'm going to go over your ideas and explain the details of shawnee's stand point, I must say I do not have the ability to speak for Shawnee Mountain on this board. But I'll do my best.

Park Crew: Hi, I am the park crew... me and only me. I will be out there patrolling the park day in and day out. I will be fixing features and maintaining the jumps, kickers, and yes even tranny's.

More Jumps: The design has not been planned yet, we have some good ideas already but nothing is set in stone as of yet. I would like to setup 2 to 3 different size kickers each on the first plateau's after the pipe. When I was there about 2 weeks ago I got a tour of the trail and I will agree with you, those are the best places for nice booters. Multi booters MUST be the way to go in order to supply the best rounded riding from beginners to shred dogs... Don't be surprised to see some 35'+ booters, But i'd imagine smaller beginner jump features as well.

Boxes: Will be resurfaced with thicker material... no bubbles

Park Pass: NO PARK PASS, my boss and I pushed for this, but they do not want to pay people $8 an hour to check park passes. It may sound cheap, but everything adds up in the end. I will be patrolling to keep those "leashes" out of our park! There is nothing I hate more than people who "ride" over beautiful kickers that I will have a hand in building. People who do not belong on features, WILL NOT be riding them and getting themselves hurt. My main concern is safety for everyone.

Creek: I have been a Season Pass holder in dirty jerz for 4 years... and I love their parks and setups. And nothing compares to their jibs! Now try to understand that creek is owned and operated by INTRAWEST resorts, they own whistler, stratton, mammoth... yea they are huge. Shawnee is independently owned, therefor its very costly to maintain in terms of lawyers. Here is a crash course in what the resort community calls "Risk Management" The safer the easier, the less accidents, the less law suits! Enter into the topic of shawnee's rails/boxes. Gaps are extremely frowned upon by management because this adds MORE RISK to the features. Hopefully you will get your gaps, it all depends if they consider my opinion and building techniques. There is nothing I love more than a nice 5-7' gap onto a rail, but if anything count on 3'-5'.

Explain last years C box setup for me if you don't mind... both sides?

WALLRIDE: I know how to place one right... I actually stalled creeks last year, and its more than double the size of shawnee's. (16' creek ---> 7' shawnee) But i promise it will be fun! Again if they listen...

Next to the pipe... Some thing needs to go there... I'm thinking a down rail and another feature... but a lot of snow needs to be blown for that to happen so id wait till later in the season for any hope.

The PIPE: Not my area, i'll give them ideas on how to groom it, but i'm thinking ill be "in the trench" raking out nice flowing transitions.

Thanks for the ideas, do you have any pics from last years setups, i wasn't a regular... hell i had creek, but anything would help. If you are there 4x's a week, we wont miss each other, Ill be getting feed back regularly from the field to make everything better for everyone. Hope this clears a lil more up!

true that....very well said u two^

hey shred dog... whats with the dirty jersey logo and the shawnee home mountain?
its like looking in the mirror

hah yea true, two fav local mountains right there, shawnee's my "home mtn" cause ive been going there for a while now and most of the time i just like being there more than the creek since there pretty much always no crowds/lines and less hype.....but i love mc too cause of what they got there

totally hear you man... the lines are crazy at creek on the weekends and week nights after school, but shawnee never has that problem... and lets hope that shaw's park gets better this year

definatly, i thought shawnee's park was gonna be a lot better last year, but yea they have to set it up their rails n jumps A LOT better....it was wierd having to go up the plateau to jump onto the boxes they had there, also with the rainbow u couldnt do because there was big chunks of icey snow leading onto the front of the rail, and the halfpipe didnt even look like a halfpipe...it was retardrd

yeah dude, nothing crazy onto the rails, but a jump on. Not a hop just to get over the inch of rail like last year. you know how the creek shit is setup, perfection. not saying LIKE THEM, but saying the rails setup, you know how to do it right. yeah i'm lookin forward to some bigger jumps too. And about the rail next to the pipe, listen. NO RAILS ONTOP OF HILLS hahahaha like the FDF was last year. that was rediculous. just bury the rails more intot eh ground instead of ontop of huge hills. and not soo much big jumps onto the rail like DFD. You know what i mean?

oh and the CBOX. The last plateau. What we did, was we setup the c box completely sideways. we put it ontop and a jump onto each side of it. It was a really sicksetup. so you pretty much went down, hit the cbox on an angle, and then ended up coming BACK DOWN the plateau, up the hill. You know what i mean??

Listen, try to get them to hire 3-4 people for a park crew dude. I WILL BE WILLING and i can GIVE you 3 people to help you out. Me and my friends are regulars and ALL WE EVER did was help out and fix everything. maybe me and a few friends can meet up with you and such, and help you out because believe me, we have a REALLY good taste for parks. two of my friends made it to USASA nationals out in Colorado last season. maybe drop me a PM with your number, b/c this needs to be done right this year.
Last year we had a park crew meeting, and setup everything how we wanted it, and they didnt put it in right. seriously man, i'd like to do this, this has been my mountain forever, we need this good!

hey guys,
they do not want to hire any more crew because they cant afford it. i know we need more than one guy but, idk... its their money. The setup will be good, i swear... but i dont have a problem having a meeting, that would be sweet shit to hear what you guys want, its your mountain anyway. Once we get closer to the season we can def talk more. Just remember that these guys are working off of what their consultants told them, non of them really ride. thats kind where I come in! I promise this park will be great this year. Here is my SN, Kreisch17 thanks for your input, ill need it!

is this a full-time job?

yes, most likey more than full time sometimes... especially early in the season.

yeah i'll message you sometime. Me and my friends have a real good feel around parks and stuff, as we've been all over and know what needs to be done.

Props to you man!! What a great attitude!!

FYI shawnee had an amazing halfpipe from 93-95. it was located on the east side of the mtn right near the nascar course. When they moved it over twoards delaware it got screwed up.

But when they first opened the park on top of delaware (c 96) they had some sick jumps

well i start the job the second week of november fixing all of the features and getting them ready for the season, the jumps will be pretty sweet this year on the trail. I wish I had CAT experience so I could cut a decent pipe, we do have a new pipe groomer... so i think only time will tell.

yo man i can help ya out a lil bit, but it doesnt sound like you have the budget to play the big game, and thats respectable that you can deal with the hands ur dealt but where you really need to push to upper management is Crew members, thats not a one man job, i know im heading up prolly at least 10 people if not more down at bear, but yea id love to see an improvement, i was up for a comp at the end of the year and i was very very disappointed, but hey ill spare ya the story, but if you want some pointers or anything message me well talk a wee bit

Hey BCP,
I appreciate that alot. Im always down to hear ideas and pointers. I know that Im not going to be able to do everything I want in terms of unique setups because I am super limited by management (and a full staff!)... I praying that I can bring some respect back to their park and make it enjoyable for all levels of riders. But I have a feeling that because of restrictions that I won't be able to accomplish some dreams of mine. But Im a fighter and I know at least the actual setups will be perfect this year.

yea the pipe was really good when they had the smaller park over on country club, hopefully it'll be better this season


and parkbuilder, i really glad ur listening to us about the park n all.....cause i wanna forget about last years park, thanks man

I was wondering what shawnees "new" park was like. Judging by some of these posts I've read, just as I thought. I'm glad I didn't waste the money.

i dont ride at shawnee all that much but if you guys are gonna do anything at all with your park i suggest improving your pipe because the first time i went there last year i was like haha guys funny now wheres the pipe, and when anyone ever asked me anything about shawnees park i always said "well, their pipe looks like it was cut with chainsaws and forks"

Well its getting to be that time again where planning the park is coming into play. Once these cold temperatures arrive and the snow is blowing, the park opening won't be far away. I want to gather as many ideas on setups as local riders want. It's your park and any help would be awsome. The pipe will be in much better condition this year as we will not open it until we feel it is completly ready, plus we have a new pipe groomer. If there is any air pockets that develop or big chunks or caynons, I'll be in there patching things up pretty much everyday with a rake/shovel. Now that the pipe is out of the way... SEND ME THOSE OPINIONS!

The new double box has arrived at the mountain and ready to go. It can best be described as two 25'-30' flat boxes side by side, but at diffrent hight levels to mix things up. The bottom box is about 2'1/2" tall, while the box next to it is about 3'-4' tall. The boxes are about a good 2' wide as well giving everyone lots of options. But which side do you want lower??? left or right? It's your call so give in those comments.

If i was to use the double box i would want the lower, on the right. Also if you want a cool idea for a feature. Get a jump like where you hit a kicker up to a big snow chuck, 10 feet high and then hit a kicker off the top of that. If you go to freeskier.com and look at ski movie teasers go into Shanghai six and you will now what feature it is after seeing the teaser.

Don't even need to look at that bud... thats a great idea, they are called a step-up to step-down... has anyone seen "from______, with love."? they have three steps all lined up in one jump, its insane. Anyway, I'll bring the idea up with the guys, even a step-up would be hot sh*t. Any reason for the lower box on the left? or is that just preference?

I said on the right. Just preference.

u did say right, my b... sounds good

i would prefer the lower box on the right. but thats just me. Y