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romemadman
it is going to be made of pvc and willl be used for back yard snowboarding and anyhting else


shoulfd it be 5ft long single barrel
5ft double barrel
or 10ft single

and sould i put would running the length of the rail or jsut supporta at the ends


any opinions are appreciated
LineSki
five feet is way short. atleast make it 10, but it should be a double barrel. It should be made out of pvc called schedule 80, its actually electrical conduit so there will be little bells on each end that have to cut off. Its the most durable and strongest pvc made, it will not crack. You have to make feet on it. and you should really have some like studs going perpindicular to the legs of the rail, something like a 1 1/2 x 1/2 stud.
Kevin.
QUOTE(k2madman @ Dec 22 2005, 05:10 PM) [snapback]48651[/snapback]

it is going to be made of pvc and willl be used for back yard snowboarding and anyhting else
shoulfd it be 5ft long single barrel
5ft double barrel
or 10ft single

and sould i put would running the length of the rail or jsut supporta at the ends
any opinions are appreciated



Hey,

I'll speak from experiance here. Last season built my first rail, a 12' long single barrel rail. It was sturdy as hell (and heavy as hell), a 2x6 running vertically with 2x4 legs and it was really stable, and then took a 5" diameter PVC pipe, took a 1.5" slit out of it and basically wrapped it over the top of the 2x6 and had a 12 foot PVC handrail. It worked out pretty good - except for one thing. So long as you land on the rail flatbased your ok, or if you have a board with no edges (dominant Slick, forum streetdweller), but if you have any edge and don't land flat, you get stuckin the rail and get f'ed up. PVC just isn't a great material for a rail, its too soft. It slides well, but if you land wrong, you get hurt.

If your learning 50-50s it could be good, but any kind of boardslides its a bit dangerous.

Also - 5' is way too short. 10' is the minimum size i would do, at 10' your on the rail for no time at all, 5 foot you wouldn't even land fully on it, expect your ollie to eat up a foot or two, and a board is longer than 5 feet.
LineSki
use schedule 80 pvc and you wont have that problem
romemadman
yea i know it isn't the best i wish i knew how to weld and had the materials too


it will have to do for now

thats one thing i knew would go wrong with how pvc is soft

the pipe i bought is an 80 i remeber wondering why it said that on tape right infront of the pipes
i put my board on it asd it still diggs in no matter what
maby its not an 80 but i am pretty sure it is

QUOTE(Method9455 @ Dec 22 2005, 05:21 PM) [snapback]48653[/snapback]

Hey,

I'll speak from experiance here. Last season built my first rail, a 12' long single barrel rail. It was sturdy as hell (and heavy as hell), a 2x6 running vertically with 2x4 legs and it was really stable, and then took a 5" diameter PVC pipe, took a 1.5" slit out of it and basically wrapped it over the top of the 2x6 and had a 12 foot PVC handrail. It worked out pretty good - except for one thing. So long as you land on the rail flatbased your ok, or if you have a board with no edges (dominant Slick, forum streetdweller), but if you have any edge and don't land flat, you get stuckin the rail and get f'ed up. PVC just isn't a great material for a rail, its too soft. It slides well, but if you land wrong, you get hurt.

If your learning 50-50s it could be good, but any kind of boardslides its a bit dangerous.

Also - 5' is way too short. 10' is the minimum size i would do, at 10' your on the rail for no time at all, 5 foot you wouldn't even land fully on it, expect your ollie to eat up a foot or two, and a board is longer than 5 feet.

i wonder if this would work well for a box
all u would need is to put a new topsheet on if the one on there doessn't slide

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check out the site if u want rails or anyhting

http://www.skateboard-ramps-and-rails.com/Bench.htm
Gurp
QUOTE(k2madman @ Dec 22 2005, 05:44 PM) [snapback]48655[/snapback]

yea i know it isn't the best i wish i knew how to weld and had the materials too



Hey man. Im in monroe country votec for welding class. I can weld and i have materials to do it. if u want me to make u a rail i can for a small fee. give me dimensions and ill give u a price for doing it if ur interested. I have pictures of my rail im working on if u wanna see what kinda work i do. Let me know what u think

My rail pic

The rail isnt done in that picture but thats what it looks like so far.
pyro_boarder
If you want to use metal but can't weild you can take a look at http://rampplans.org/ramps/Bud_Stratford/ the rail, double round and angle look like good alternitives. I'm bulding the one with angle iron ( My Rail ), I'm also putting some round pipe on the front and end so it dosne't dig in, but haven't got around to it yet. Also if it is any wider than that you may want to look into putting a topsheet on it. If you have something supporting the pvc you may be able to replace the pvc with metal conduit. dthmtlunicrn made a rail by just bending conduit and puting giving it 2x4 legs/feet, but he could problay describe it better than me.
toast21602
made first rail out of a shopping cart corral that i took from work and the other out of two 12ft peices of PVC... and its amazing

http://www.paskiandride.com/forums/index.p...&cmd=si&img=578

http://www.paskiandride.com/forums/index.p...&cmd=si&img=579
Gurp
my rail is gonna be better than urs tho. mine completely welded and urs might break. Plus mine is alot lighter and cheaper. Ill build the rail pretty much cheap as can be. I got all the metal for free and i got welding shit from school for free. so i can build a few rails that cost me nothing.

QUOTE(toast21602 @ Dec 22 2005, 06:23 PM) [snapback]48675[/snapback]


What skis are those?
Justin
I don't recommend using PVC.
It will be ok to some extent, but any grinds that involve egde to rail contact, it will be a problem.

Also, PVC is not nearly as sturdy as metal. It will flex and move around like crazy...

Look into metal or build a box instead. I've picked up one of those toy store rails and just made my own legs, which are higher and sturdier. Thats a modular rail system for under 100 bucks....
toast21602
QUOTE(justin @ Dec 22 2005, 06:33 PM) [snapback]48680[/snapback]
I don't recommend using PVC.
It will be ok to some extent, but any grinds that involve egde to rail contact, it will be a problem.

Also, PVC is not nearly as sturdy as metal. It will flex and move around like crazy...

Look into metal or build a box instead. I've picked up one of those toy store rails and just made my own legs, which are higher and sturdier. Thats a modular rail system for under 100 bucks....


thats the problem... who has $100 to spend on a backyard setup... i spent about $15 on mine and it does the job
Gurp
20$ and about 25hrs of work and i got myself a flat down flat rail 21ft long. Beat that deal.
romemadman
the store ones are way too short
like the one u get at sports thority r way too short

thanks for all of the info i am sure it will all help
Stevo
QUOTE(justin @ Dec 22 2005, 06:33 PM) [snapback]48680[/snapback]

Thats a modular rail system for under 100 bucks....



QUOTE(Gurp @ Dec 22 2005, 06:40 PM) [snapback]48682[/snapback]

20$ and about 25hrs of work and i got myself a flat down flat rail 21ft long. Beat that deal.


Okay, i think i can beat it. I got all the materials for free except the 10 ft black pipe from homo depot, 25 bucks. ( my mom paid for it though, so the rail didn't cost me anything.) Here is my rail. Actually, then again, mine is a lot shorter than gurp's, like, by 60 percent? It's like, 7 foot. Eh, it's good for skateboarding anyway, which it was originally built for. If you happen to make a rail out of channel, like i did, and like gurp did- make sure you sand the top of it down, going down in grit, and make sure to take some emery cloth and a file to the edges to make sure they're completely round. I got about 12 hours of work into my rail (just an estimate). Oh yeah, and it's completely modular
LineSki
18 foot flat down flat for 25 bucks and about 2 nights of work. My rail is very, very sturdy. to who ever said pvc flexes in the cold it can only take so much then it will break. Im telling you people use schedule 80 electrical conduit. Its so sturdy and you wont catch an edge
toast21602
QUOTE(LineSki @ Dec 22 2005, 09:22 PM) [snapback]48730[/snapback]
18 foot flat down flat for 25 bucks and about 2 nights of work. My rail is very, very sturdy. to who ever said pvc flexes in the cold it can only take so much then it will break. Im telling you people use schedule 80 electrical conduit. Its so sturdy and you wont catch an edge


the PVC i used is 1/4 inch thick and isnt even close to cracking... and probably never will...
LineSki
sounds like the pvc i use
pyro_boarder
QUOTE(toast21602 @ Dec 22 2005, 09:27 PM) [snapback]48731[/snapback]

the PVC i used is 1/4 inch thick and isnt even close to cracking... and probably never will...



QUOTE(LineSki @ Dec 22 2005, 09:43 PM) [snapback]48743[/snapback]

sounds like the pvc i use


Do you guys have something under the pvc like a 2x4 beam? If you just had the pvc supporting itself from just a few points it would flex too much and, being brittle from the cold, snap. If there is something stiff supporting it then you would have to stomp on it realy hard to shatter it. Also if the pvc is over probaly 3" dia. you probaly wouldn't have a problem either way.
Gurp
the 20$ i spent on my rail was only for grinding wheels for my grinder. Everything else was free.
librider
I bet we got you all beat tongue.gif We finished it up last week. I photoshopped the ply wood in bc it wasnt in yet.

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Kevin.
QUOTE(librider @ Dec 23 2005, 07:28 AM) [snapback]48805[/snapback]

I bet we got you all beat tongue.gif We finished it up last week. I photoshopped the ply wood in bc it wasnt in yet.

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yea that has me beat. what metal are you guys using if your using metal. I heard aluminum is crappy and i was looking for flat steel or angle iron to make a box or a rail, but all i can find is round galvanized pipe - is that worthwhile?

as for the PVC - like i said i put mine over a 2x6 i'll take pictures soon but i have to go to school now
BALLIN
sick librider.. hit me up when its done and lets have a yard sesh haha
LineSki
yeah man thats deff nice. I used a 2x6 underneath mine, and I just drilled the pvc in from the bottom. I would build something like that, but that would cost you a pretty penny for all of that steel. that is unless it fell off a truck.
Stevo
Librider, is that all galvanized?
librider
no it isnt galvinized im not sure what it is exactly. We found all of those tubes of metal in the woods!! it was crazy and it didint rust so idk what it is. The rail is so huge. From the bottom of the supports the the top rail is 10 ft. Its a gigantic 30 ft battleship. We are putting it in at tanglwood soon.
Stevo
It's probably galvanized. Very nice rail, and i think its cool that you're bringing it up to tanglwood. Nice work
Gurp
probably stainless steel or aluminum if it didnt rust. Gotta be VERY careful when welding galvanized. Gives off very toxic fumes.
adrian
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From the bottom of the supports the the top rail is 10 ft


horry shmokes on the diy job!
Schif
Thats awesome. Its also pretty cool that T-wood is going to put it in. Did they pay you for it, or give you free passes or anything?
toast21602
QUOTE(pyro_boarder @ Dec 22 2005, 10:05 PM) [snapback]48746[/snapback]





Do you guys have something under the pvc like a 2x4 beam? If you just had the pvc supporting itself from just a few points it would flex too much and, being brittle from the cold, snap. If there is something stiff supporting it then you would have to stomp on it realy hard to shatter it. Also if the pvc is over probaly 3" dia. you probaly wouldn't have a problem either way.


yeah its supported with plywood.. its pretty beastly and wont break unless somebody HUGE stomps on it. i think the diameter of each pvc is 5 or 6 inches on mine
librider
QUOTE(Schifdawg @ Dec 23 2005, 10:00 PM) [snapback]48914[/snapback]

Thats awesome. Its also pretty cool that T-wood is going to put it in. Did they pay you for it, or give you free passes or anything?


I work there on park crew.. i only helped make it my friend bryan who also is on park crew actually welded it.
romemadman
here is the nearly finished product
it is 10ft long and is really heavy


forumyoungblood
If i wanted to build a box rail, what is that plasticy type stuff that i need to use for the top sheet? anyone know where to get it?
The_Public_Enemy
Props on that battleship lib. That thing looks sick.

You guys gotta see the rail we're debuting soon in our backyard park. It's a twenty foot teeter totter rail! We installed it yesterday and are just waiting to blow enough snow so we can hit it. I took some pics of it today with my friend's camera so hopefully he'll send them to me so i can post them.

We were also working on our 20 foot dragon tail today. Had to cut and weld some feet for it, plasma cutters are the best, haha!
Stevo
QUOTE(forumyoungblood @ Jan 16 2006, 03:34 PM) [snapback]54211[/snapback]

If i wanted to build a box rail, what is that plasticy type stuff that i need to use for the top sheet? anyone know where to get it?

Lexan AKA Plexiglass. Just go to homo deopt and ask them for it. They have it, but it's kinda hard to find.
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