Tom

Quotes from Papa "ben birk owns you all" " so much hate..."

Papa, So does Saturday and Sunday make it 4 total visits to CB for the year? A lot of negative opinion for so view visits. Papa says in another thread today in reference to CB "I have nothing nice to say" In this thread he says "I have a lot of good things to say about CB - you just haven't read them" Point to a few of the good things you have said about CB ?

Papa, i think it is interesting to look at this from a slightly different point of view. You have nothing good to say about CB, yet spent Saturday and Sunday there. You think JFBB is better, but didn't bother to drive there this past weekend. From a purely business point of view, it would seem that targeting you as a customer is a bit of a waste of time, as the mountain you seem to hate still gets your business and the mountain you love apparently wasn't worth the effort this past weekend so didn't get your business.

How do you back up the statement "CB mgmt is aware this..." If there was a survey available, I'm sure you would point it to us. I would guess that CB does some of its own guest surveys and uses that information to target their largest and most profitable(to CB) segment of customers. As I posted earlier, I think the opinion you posted earlier actually shows CB seems to know what they are doing. They have been profitable "for decades" and have continued to expand. Seems like a successful business to me. Once again, it appears you believe you are the end all, be all for knowing what is and isn't good ski area management. Let us all know when you open your ski area management consulting business and how that goes.

Papa, The only way for ticket sales and customer service not to be related is if you believe all customers are morons and incapable of making their own decisions. That may apply to you, in relation to your season pass purchase of course, which I could understand would cloud your judgment. A business can't be successful without customers. CB has repeatedly gotten customers for "decades" as the post suggest. They must be doing something right. Just becuase they aren't catering to you doesn't mean they aren't catering to the majority of their customers.

Toast Actually it does apply to you. Once again your comments : "maybe you should stop bitching all the time, if you their our (sic) bitching to stop. you are just feeding into it." Your typo "their our" not withstanding, it still also applies to you.

Toast< Maybe you should stop bitching all the time, if you want our bitching to stop. you are just feeding into it.

so let me get this straight. CB is doing such a poor job of customer service that 1. They are selling too many tickets. 2. They have done a good job gaining new customers or retaining old customers such that over the past few decades, they've had the financial profits and resources to expand trails, terrain parks, expand other areas and build camel beach Water Park, and the now planned hotel and indoor water park" 3. They actually have representatives post regulary on this board.

If the first lot is filled with employees, how do you always manage to park close?

Papa, It gets the most flames, because you post the most flames! Good to hear you won't be back at CB next year.

Let's see what Papa is going to say! My opinion is unless he sells his condo, he will purchase a season pass.

Papa declares that NO ONE is allowed to "diss" a park rat! All hail our great dictator Papa! All drop to their knees any time Papa makes a proclamation! Papa can do no wrong! Free speech is dead! Correction Free speech is dead for all except Papa! "then do something to stop thier complaining and give them what they want..." How about you give some of us what we want and stop bitching all the time!

"You don't see me there other than to get disappointed...." Now that is funny. What is that quote thatinsanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results? Papa, if you don't like CB, just stop going. How much do you want to bet that Papa buys another season pass next year too!

How about we compare the information we are getting on this board from the CB representatives to the information we get from from the Blue and JFBB representatives that post?

Papa "Understand, that given the choice, i won't be bringing back nips to that pipe" So where are you going?

JFBB web site says 32-72" base. Papa says 120"

What are the skiable acres at JF and BB?

The pipe isn't open? Papa, I'm confused why you are not all over this. The website has had posted since December that they were looking at a mid-January pipe opening! From your CB logic, that is false advertising!!!!!!! Why aren't you complaining?

just to piss you off. Don't you think that the weather this year had an adverse affect? Don't they always open one side of the mountain first and then the other?

so you are happy with your condo purchase at CB? Please post your last criticism of JFBB. Last I saw, you defended their not blowing snow when they could. But you were highly critical of CB for not blowing when, in your expert snowmaking opinion, they could. How about listing the last positive comment you made about CB? Thanks for the list. Might as well shut the message board down. The one and only expert of all things has spoken. Glad you kid likes JFBB better than Breck. It should be about having fun. Maybe you should try that approach. Thanks for letting us know how much money you spend... Makes all the difference. I never said CB was perfect. But it doesn't deserve the high level of criticism you heap on it.

Method, No offense to you our Papa's kid, but if you think that riding on JFBB team will get you to the X Games in 5 years, you are delusional. Nowhere in Pa. has the vert, steepness, etc. for a true world class park and there are litterly thousands of kids riding in the better parks up north, out west and in other countries that could blow anyone riding at CB or JFBB out of the water. That is just the harsh reality. CB was my home mountain awhile ago, I now live in Fisco and see what is going on daily at places out here. Night and day. Again, not trying to offend you, because your post was at least a bit more rational than Papa's. But when comparing boarder only mountains and ski only mountains, try comparing size too. The boarder only are all small areas trying to find a niche market because they can't get the skiiers / riders who want more traditional riding. More power to them, but once again, the top riders are almost always found at the large mountains that have vert and size. CB has made a decision that it doesn't need to go into that market. They obviously are getting large crowds withouth catering to the park crowd based on Papa's posts. The owners and management of each mountain gets to make those decisions and it appears you don't fit into CB target rider. Which is fine with me, and I think fine with CB. You seem to understand this a bit more than Papa and don't spend every post criticizing everything CB just becuase it is not the mountain for you. Papa, Let's turn the question around. What makes you qualified? Becuase you say you are qualified? Sorry, I didn't know you were the only one allowed to have an opinion. I guess that is the small world you live in. Forgive me for questioning your sole authority on all things CB, skiing, snowmaking, park construcition, ski area management and if I left anything off, I'm sure you'll tell me. You constantly rip CB, never saying anything positive. On the opposite side, you never say anything negative abou JFBB. Come one, try being a bit more balanced. You are being negative, just to be negative becuase of some personal vendetta you have against CB, and then whine when called on it. I still find it ironic that with all the negative things you have think about CB, you thought it woudl be fine to dump your parents there because it was easy!

If my post shows what I know, then I guess you agree that you have your head up your ass. We all know you, and your kids and their "abilities" based on your posts. I'm sure you are proud that your kids are in the top 90% of the riders that ride at CB and BB! I guess next stop for them is the X Games! Fame and Fortune awaits! Make you a deal. I'll never again ride JFBB if you promise to never ride at CB again.......

Papa, Wow. I find it ironic that you have been complaining so long about CB lack of concern for their guests, but you found it OK to dump your guests there! Guess you just didn't care to much about them. Then your last post. An even bigger Wow!. We wish you could write an intelligent post too! You think CB lives in their own little world? How about you! Oh I forgot you have "unique" experience that no one else can relate too! I hate to say it, but I really doubt you have a real "expert" racer. If you really did, you wouldn't be living at CB. You'd be out west or north. Your just an obnoxius ski version of the soccer mom. I'll give you the "gaper" designation though. You are smack on with that one. Hard to believe you think a business should be less concerned about making money and more concerned about pleasing you and your "unique" requirements rather than the requirements of the majority of their customers. And then blame CB for living in their own little world! You complain both of a lack of policing the slopes and then complain about over agressive policing of the slopes. Is it possible that as a self described gaper, most of the rangers and ski patrol know more than you do and more than your kids? I guess once again, it is your "unique" position that you expect to be catered to. I'm guessing the people terrorizing your parents are the young expert racers and park rats at CB. If you kids are "bored to tears" they have no imagination. Imagination is what makes great park riders, not the jibs. And what did kids do before snowboard parks! How did mountains survive? Time to get your head out of your ass..

Papa, Your reasoning is amazing. JFBB not blowing snow = "they know what they are doing and staying open longer" CB blowing snow or not blowing snow = bad customer service The number of unopen trails at JFBB is about the same as at CB. But if JFBB isn't blowing as much as possible, how is this better. It will be interesting to see which mountain is open 100% first

Papa, What? I'm confused. You back skiing CB? I thoght you said you wouldn't ski it again?