as for as learning to ride pipe, camelback has a very good pipe once it is freshly cut. the key to pipe is at most ur entry run. upon entry, u should never b carving into the tranny. no matter heelside wall or toeside wall, u want to initiate ur turn in the flats and just hold an edge into the transition. many people think they need to carve into the wall but u initiate ur turn before moving up the wall, and that is usually where beginners lose all speed.