ok. just wanted to say sorry for being such a bitch to you guys about this, and that i found something out. i actually have enough left over to make a 24 foot long rail, which i would assume is PLENTY long, considering the box i made is real long. thanks for the input, and sorry matt-stunt didnt know you were a feature builder yourself. but im STILL not putting coping on........i really dont think i need it.