skidude Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Props to CB for a few things. First off, letting the race team close off Hump (steepest trail they have) for a few hours in the morning to set gates. It works out well, cause coming off the steep you have a transition, and a turn, which makes it more technical. Also they are letting us set on 1/2 of Big Ponono Run in the afternoons, which is a good SL set. Thanks for giving your race team more support! Secondly, the rocket is a pretty nice bump run now...Has some BIG bumps on it. Keep blowing snow every few nights on it, and it will have the best bumps around, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJSkiFamily Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Do you think the new owner had something to do with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidude Posted January 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Do you think the new owner had something to do with this? From what I hear, the new owner is a good skier, and likes bumps..>Hence the bump run. He probably also understands that having a race team isn't just a pain in the butt, it can be good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sno Mountain Skier Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Secondly, the rocket is a pretty nice bump run now...Has some BIG bumps on it. Keep blowing snow every few nights on it, and it will have the best bumps around, period. Nope. WL or things at elk are the best bump runs period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidude Posted January 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Nope. WL or things at elk are the best bump runs period. *shakes head* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike0100 Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Props to CB for a few things. First off, letting the race team close off Hump (steepest trail they have) If the hump is the steepest, then why is cliffhanger a double black and the hump a single ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierboi Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 it prob has to do with the length of the headwall, b.c cliffhanger has a much longer headwall than the hump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyro_boarder Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 (edited) it prob has to do with the length of the headwall, b.c cliffhanger has a much longer headwall than the hump I was talking to someone on the lift about that the other day. I concluded that it's probably because CB wanted a double black. But you are probably right, I think it has to do with length. Edited January 9, 2006 by pyro_boarder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidude Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 If the hump is the steepest, then why is cliffhanger a double black and the hump a single ? Hump is usually the steepest...Usually there is a bigger pile of snow in the middle of it (possibly a 'hump' of snow). Its not there this year, but it still seems like it might be a little steeper than everything else. But it is only steep for about 75 feet...Where Cliffy is almost as steep for much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 The last 4 or 5 days first runs on cliffy have been so nice.. I got 10 runs in hour on one day!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 I think hump should be a double personally. That trail is always so sketchy. Fallen n00bs everywhere. Decent pitch, lousy grooming and a hard right turn just at the bottom of the head wall. If you can't quite make it you get a face full of fence. I hate that trail. On a day with the worst possible icey conditions I will still run laps on Cliffy but you won't see me even thinking about the hump. Duration is the reason though. Even if you straight bombed it, you couldn't get going nearly as fast on the hump compared to cliffy. No doubt cliffy is overated, and is only a double black for CB's bragging rights, but there is SOME thought behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 I bet Sib has better insight, but Cliffhanger was first cut and opened to be a signature slope for CB. It was homologated, which means CB pays money to the FIS every few years to have it certified as a trail capable of holding an FIS event. Blacks and double blacks, though, can have a pretty vague definition. Montage used to have one double black...now we have three. But no new trails were cut. Sounds like a riddle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimom Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 I think hump should be a double personally. That trail is always so sketchy. Fallen n00bs everywhere. Decent pitch, lousy grooming and a hard right turn just at the bottom of the head wall. If you can't quite make it you get a face full of fence. I hate that trail. On a day with the worst possible icey conditions I will still run laps on Cliffy but you won't see me even thinking about the hump. Duration is the reason though. Even if you straight bombed it, you couldn't get going nearly as fast on the hump compared to cliffy. No doubt cliffy is overated, and is only a double black for CB's bragging rights, but there is SOME thought behind it. I agree, it is often the first to get icy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Blacks and double blacks, though, can have a pretty vague definition. Montage used to have one double black...now we have three. But no new trails were cut. Sounds like a riddle. Montages blacks are steep but nothing VERY steep, and nothing sustained. All their doubles have significant pitch and it's sustained. Maybe skiers are getting worse.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Montages blacks are steep but nothing VERY steep, and nothing sustained. All their doubles have significant pitch and it's sustained. Maybe skiers are getting worse.... It's probably that they wanted to show that Lower Fast Track and Lower Runaway were easier than the others, so people would feel more comfortable skiing the entire mountain from top to bottom. Or, it's just that three double blacks sound better than one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtnbiker99x Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 I was told cliff was a doubble black because of the lenght compared to the other blacks on the mountain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Do you like cliffy as much as Razors at Blue. Apparently Atomic Jeff can really push his GS11s to the limit on Razors..oh yeah...they're race stock... Cliffy > Razors. If nothing else than cliffy is always beautiful first thing, and I've never had a good day on Razors reguarding conditions. There have been days that haven't been as bad, but never good. I actually like challange better than razors, but challange is too narrow. They are both (razors and challange) pretty long though, thats the only advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 I was going the opposite...I'd take a CB pass over a Blue, but I like Challenge and Razors both over Cliffy. For me, I like the fall line that drops straight down the mountain on Blue's two, plus Cliffhanger's flat lower 2/3's gets pretty thick and crappy a lot, while snow gets scraped off Blue. Cliffy's probably a more 'interesting' trail, I guess, with it's bends and fall line changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole2planker Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 (edited) I think hump should be a double personally. That trail is always so sketchy. Fallen n00bs everywhere. Decent pitch, lousy grooming and a hard right turn just at the bottom of the head wall. If you can't quite make it you get a face full of fence. I hate that trail. I love the Hump. On Saturday morning, I couldn't wait for the ski team to be finished so I could ski it. I was like a vulture, making runs around it until I could strike! Edited January 10, 2006 by ole2planker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LineSki Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 sometimes i want to leave really early just to hit the hump first thing. Besides the terrain parks, cliffy and hump are by far my favorite trails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizilla Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Unless you hit it early Hump gets skiied off fast. It's total hardpack on top by the PM. Personally, with the bumps now, I think Rocket should be marked double D. Cliff is a lot wider and you can usually find some good surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidude Posted January 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Unless you hit it early Hump gets skiied off fast. It's total hardpack on top by the PM. Personally, with the bumps now, I think Rocket should be marked double D. Cliff is a lot wider and you can usually find some good surface. I could see rocket being marked DD if they were going to perminantly keep it ungroomed. That sounds appropreate. I am also waiting for CB to put in a sign that says its not groomed...that just seems like a bad idea, not having a sign up about it...I woulldn't put it past someone (like myself) to see the top is flat, start a big GS turn, and then uhh die on the first bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizilla Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 I could see rocket being marked DD if they were going to perminantly keep it ungroomed. That sounds appropreate. I am also waiting for CB to put in a sign that says its not groomed...that just seems like a bad idea, not having a sign up about it...I woulldn't put it past someone (like myself) to see the top is flat, start a big GS turn, and then uhh die on the first bump Yeah that is a good idea. You really can't see the terrain until you are at the lip. I've already seen a bunch of people heading down it in a snowplow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 There was a pair of skis and poles with no owner in the middle of the bumps a few days ago. I think the guy ejected and slid well below his gear. I saw him walking towards the bottom on the next run without his gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 I woulldn't put it past someone (like myself) to see the top is flat, start a big GS turn, and then uhh die on the first bump Except that European guy we got 2 runs with, holy crap, who was he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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