rideordie7 Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Going into my 6th year as a season pass holder, I have seen JFBB's early progression turn into a 2 year regression and into another progression which started last season(mainly from the purchase by Peak). Like all of you, I was very excited with the Parklogic addition. And I am sad to see them go. What they did leave us with is some really nice jibs that we will be able to use now and in the years to come. But don't even think that Boulder doesn't have the "know how" to build prominant features and maintain a park. I want it to be known that last year, w/o Parklogic, JFBB constructed their best jumps to date, a 20 stair 3 rail setup, a 12 stair flat down rail setup, quarterpipe, flat down on top of a car, and numerous street style rails(long and short - with variations). This will still be a great year at JFBB, especially with their snowmaking capabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turBon Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Last year was great at BB. The year before that was just as fun. As was the year before that. But now that this BS has happened, its like they hit the pause button. The potential for growth was so great Opening day, but now, pfft. They were maintaing the park well yesterday but when it comes time to really use the jibs PL has built well, Boulder will fall flat on its face with icy landings and dug out run ins.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideordie7 Posted December 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 If you say it was so good before Parklogic, then what makes you think it won't be after? Did PL build the 20 stair set last year? No they didn't. It seems the firing had to do more with egos than JFBB's commitment to Park building. That commitment is obviously there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method9455 Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 We'll see. However even if it is good, we won't ever be able to compare it to what would have been if they hadn't been kicked out. I don't doubt it will be good, maybe still even best in the region. (Hell Mountain Creek has no body left really, the new management is old school again, and Bear Creek is getting raped by the weather). I really feel like it is a bigger long term loss than a short term one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 I want it to be known that last year, w/o Parklogic, JFBB constructed their best jumps to date, It is my understanding that a certain new peak individual did the actual grooming of those jumps mid season and that prior to that they were shaped like moto-cross jumps. True? Only time will tell. It is all speculation now. We'll see. However even if it is good, we won't ever be able to compare it to what would have been if they hadn't been kicked out................................................I really feel like it is a bigger long term loss than a short term one. exactly.............. It seems the firing had to do more with egos than JFBB's commitment to Park building. You said it.. Freudian Slip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 I might be guesssing, but I would bet that those who are coming to the defense of BB's decision very rarely ski outside of BB. It's not about a staircase or any other feature. Its about the whole scene, including the vibe, promotion, quality, layout, and people. We were at 22 different reosrts last year, 24 different ones the year before. Who is the new park manager there now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideordie7 Posted December 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 I might be guesssing, but I would bet that those who are coming to the defense of BB's decision very rarely ski outside of BB. It's not about a staircase or any other feature. Its about the whole scene, including the vibe, promotion, quality, layout, and people. We were at 22 different reosrts last year, 24 different ones the year before. Who is the new park manager there now? You are guessing. I can speak about JFBB because I've been riding there 6 years in a row. I am not necessarily defending them. But I am not going to discount the improvements that were made before any ParkLogic involvement, which to me, seems to be forgotten, or simply not known about. Trust me, I have had my own run-ins with managment. I have sent emails about the park setups (like having advanced style rails on Tannenbaum, which were easily accessible to young kids on rentals). All I'm talking about is what's done is done. As well as give a little hope to the people who bought season passes to JFBB for the first time and who are pissed. That is great you have been to all those resorts. I have only been to 10 resorts in the past 2 years, so you are obviously better than me. But I am 30 and work 2 jobs, so it is hard for me to travel to different resorts each weekend. I do not know who the park manager is? It is my understanding that a certain new peak individual did the actual grooming of those jumps mid season and that prior to that they were shaped like moto-cross jumps. True? Only time will tell. It is all speculation now. They were definitely motocross jumps and now they are not. Which is my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 You are guessing. I can speak about JFBB because I've been riding there 6 years in a row. ................................ I have only been to 10 resorts in the past 2 years, so you are obviously better than me. They were definitely motocross jumps and now they are not. Which is my point. I can speak about BB and JF too but from a much different broader perspective. We saw the changes, we also saw the same rails year after year in the same or similar places. I am not denying the previous years progress. that is not the point in all these passionate pleas. The point is that this year I believe that they were making a quantum leap with thier progress and now it will be back to same peeps who ran the show in previous years. So, here is a tidbit for you and only BB can clarify, but it is my understanding that the guy who built those motocross jumps is now back at the helm. Still feel the same rideordie7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideordie7 Posted December 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 I can speak about BB and JF too but from a much different broader perspective. We saw the changes, we also saw the same rails year after year in the same or similar places. I am not denying the previous years progress. that is not the point in all these passionate pleas. The point is that this year I believe that they were making a quantum leap with thier progress and now it will be back to same peeps who ran the show in previous years.So, here is a tidbit for you and only BB can clarify, but it is my understanding that the guy who built those motocross jumps is now back at the helm. Still feel the same rideordie7? Yes I do. Cause when Big Boulder Park got constructed LAST, they were not motocross jumps. So it is my understanding that the person who built those jumps us back at the helm. And a lot of the rails they had last year were not there the year before. You post in another place that you would of went somewhere else if Park Logic did. Then that shows to me that you don't have the broader picture (like u said) in mind. You have the "best park on the east coast" in mind and not the atmosphere, the people and the mountain. I am not trying to sling snow here. I am just trying to put a little ease into the situation that got US all upset to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Yes I do. Cause when Big Boulder Park got constructed LAST, they were not motocross jumps. So it is my understanding that the person who built those jumps us back at the helm. I doubt it, because maintaining the park is not that person's job. Jordan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 I doubt it, because maintaining the park is not that person's job. Jordan hahahahaa.. come on jordan, work with me..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 (edited) You post in another place that you would of went somewhere else if Park Logic did. Uhh... Thats not accurate. BB is called home for Parks. BC was going to be home for parks. CB is called home for Racing. We have passes to BB, CB and weeknights at BC. Our house is at CB, I will drop one kid off to race at CB and then take the other to BB for the park for the next couple of weekends, then comp season starts. You have the "best park on the east coast" in mind and not the atmosphere, the people and the mountain. You got it, I don't like saying that I don't care about the people who run the hill because I enjoy talking and making friends, but when it comes right down to it. I wouldn't care if there was no lodge and the biggest asses in the world ran the place and they were all convicts and molesters but they still had the best park........... it is very likely that that is where my kid would want to go,. And I wouldn't care! Does that make sense? Edited December 13, 2006 by Papasteeze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideordie7 Posted December 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Uhh... Thats not accurate. BB is called home for Parks. BC was going to be home for parks. CB is called home for Racing. We have passes to BB, CB and weeknights at BC. Our house is at CB, I will drop one kid off to race at CB and then take the other to BB for the park for the next couple of weekends, then comp season starts. Well, you sure as heck get around. Anyway, no matter what, I'll see you around BB. I have the red, brown, white checkered? ronin jacket and brown pants. You can call me Bean, it says so on my helmet. What do you ride in? Bring some PASR stickers. I have room on my rack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggles Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 ^oh i saw you there last sunday i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideordie7 Posted December 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 ^oh i saw you there last sunday i think Nah, wasn't me. Damn, someone has the same jacket as me! I knew it would happen I will be there this Sunday and Monday. JF during the day and BB at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 hahahahaa.. come on jordan, work with me..... its true He may initially shape and build them, but he wont be the one maintaining them every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Nah, wasn't me. Damn, someone has the same jacket as me! I knew it would happen I will be there this Sunday and Monday. JF during the day and BB at night. we will only be there saturday this weekend, probably will stay late if they don't throw me off the mountain .. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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