wezlofilms Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Shawnees Opening Day dec. 3 what do your think will they open its going to rain on tuesday all day and wed night is only gonna b a low of 29 so they maybe blow snow. Are we going to be let down again on a false opening date. i hope not what do u think? Think cold Snow and a dec 3rd opening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emsp4life Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Shawnees Opening Day dec. 3 what do your think will they open its going to rain on tuesday all day and wed night is only gonna b a low of 29 so they maybe blow snow. Are we going to be let down again on a false opening date. i hope not what do u think? They got a great deal off snow up there already, so they should make it through this little warm/rain . I'm keeping my fingers crossed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTmark Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 and yet again the temp your looking at is not what you look at when blowing snow. you need to know the reletive humity too. then you use a chart like this http://www.snowathome.com/home_page_files/...0fahrenheit.pdf to find out the wetbulb temp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skifreak Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Well, for shawnee that wetbulb doesn't really mean much. They have a lot of HKD guns and they require around 26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schif Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Skifreak, what exactly is an HKD gun? How does it not rely on air/water? I'm extremely curious about all this snowmaking stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skifreak Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 An HKD gun is the newest snowgun on the market today, that revolutionized the snowmaking industry. An HKD is more efficient econimically and in snow production compared to a fangun/conventional air/water gun. Here is a great explanation of how an HKD works. Its a video and loads quick if your on dial up like me. http://www.bluemountain.ca/winter_conditions_snowmaking.htm What are the advantages of an HKD? First off its mounted about 20' or 30' off the gound (depending on the tower they bought). Which allows the water to freeze more in return making better snow quality, its as close to it being natural as it gets. Next an HKD uses less compressed air. Your thinking so what? Well look at it this way. The old air/water guns use about 300 cfm or so of compressed air...thats a lot and its extremely loud. Now the HKD only uses 50cfm. Which in return allows them to run more guns, make more snow, better snow quality, and save on electricity. Electricity is a killer in snowmaking, those compressor use a ton of it and its expensive, so the less they use the better they will be at saving money. How does an HKD work? Well its just like an other snowgun but with some advantages. The only disadvantage to it is it cannot make snow at marginal temps. First its has two connections like an other gun for air and water. Depending on the model it may come equipped with a 5hp air compressor eliminating the need for air from a hydrant. Then it has a connection for the water. The water and air travel up the tower to the flanged head where it meets the noozles. For this I Will use SMI's Viking snow tower to explain. If I remember correctly the viking has 12 total nozzles on it. Six nozzles are the nucleation nozzles reffered to as "nuc" nozzles. This mean that both air/water go through these. The remaining six nozzles are bulk water nozzles meaning only water travel through them. The nuc noozles spray the air/water out while the bulk water noozles mix with the nuc's spray creating even more nuc which later turns into snow. Now, if I explain how its cost effective you will get confused because it has to do with the flow rates on the nozzles, but in lamens terms since only six nozzles with a low flow rate use compressed air (nuc nozzles) it only requires 50 cfm (this is because of the orfice, or hole size on the nozzles compared to one big hole) and because air isn't used on all the nozzles. Ok, so after the nuc and bulk water mix and create snow it has time to freeze longer since its high in the air about 20' or 30' compared to a foot or so off the gound which means it makes more "natural snow". Which is another drawback, snow gets carried away in the wind. Some models of an HKD, note HKD is a registered TM of Snow Economics, but an HKD is a tower bascially a tower gun with multiple nozzles, its just a bunch of patent issues. Anyway models like the Ratnik, are able to run airless at 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wezlofilms Posted November 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Yes yes but what do u think about shawnee do you think will is open this saturday dec 3rd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skifreak Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 I don't know how much they made, but if they made enough like blue did then they shouldn't have a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schif Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Thanks! That really did explain it well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skifreak Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Anytime, schif! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wezlofilms Posted November 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 skifreak you are a home snow maker have you made alot of snow if so send some pics and do you make jumps and rails at hime with the snow and stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skifreak Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Yeah I make snow at home. I like to sled in it, lol but my friends like to come over and set up rails and jumps. We had about 1'-2' of snow over the weekend and had a lot of fun sledding and my friends rode rails and jumps. I have pics that I will post later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wezlofilms Posted November 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 thats sick i wish i had the money to buy the equipment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poconoceancity Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Yes yes but what do u think about shawnee do you think will is open this saturday dec 3rd? The bigger question is will Blue open on the 2nd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wezlofilms Posted November 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 yea i really dont care about blue i dont really like it and shawnees park is better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
librider Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 The bigger question is will Blue open on the 2nd? The biggest question is if cb will open dec 3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tretiak Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 yea i really dont care about blue i dont really like it and shawnees park is better i think u should check out blue this year they have done alot of things to both sidewinder and terrian run. The biggest question is if cb will open dec 3rd who cares about cb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
librider Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 i think u should check out blue this year they have done alot of things to both sidewinder and terrian run. who cares about cb Alot more people than shawnee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wezlofilms Posted November 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 alright lets not fight over parks and mt. its the poconos realx they all suck vt and out west is the way to go so relax everybody, everybody wants to ride and we r all getting annoyed haha so shawnee cb and blue dec 3 or 2nd all the way ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Take a little hop to Belleayre... We have 3 solid 8 hour days on the snow already.. nananananaaaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTmark Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Well, for shawnee that wetbulb doesn't really mean much. They have a lot of HKD guns and they require around 26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyro_boarder Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 i thought that, airless snowmaking was not possible. hench why a plain pw doesn't work. As of now airless snow making is impossiple (or very close to it) for home snowmaking. (with the exception of really cold temps.) Resorts have some airless guns, but they're not very efficent and also need very cold temps. Skifreak, are the HKD gus basicly combo guns with more nozzles? Also you should copy that post to the snowmakink FAQ, It's very informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skifreak Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Yes, a combo gun is exactly how a HKD works. I'm moving the HKD explanation to the Snowmaking Faq. Mark, airless is impossible at home at the moment. But its not at resorts so don't get confused there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poconoceancity Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Shawnee pushed opening day back to Dec. 9th...Will Blue open Tomorrow or before the 9th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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