skidude Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Jeff may need some time in slalom gates first. Just a thought. But, 'Mom, I think it's cool that Jeff is considering USSA next season. It should, of course, have absolutely nothing to do with 'Dude and have only to do with Jeff taking advantage of the one year he has left of eligibilty. I always forget he's still a kid. What would you be doing next season if you were turning 19 and had seven weekend days free? Why take a chance on regretting not doing it? Not really his last year of eligiblity tho...He can always race as a senior I think I have some talent We know you think that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Not really his last year of eligiblity tho...He can always race as a senior We know you think that And as every junior racer knows, it's not the same. Does it matter that Brad or Johnny beat you? Once you hit senior, Master, adult, or anything else---it's just different. I'm not dimishing the older guys abilities AT ALL and props to them for sticking it to you guys, the competition is among your peers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidude Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 And as every junior racer knows, it's not the same. Does it matter that Brad or Johnny beat you? Once you hit senior, Master, adult, or anything else---it's just different. I'm not dimishing the older guys abilities AT ALL and props to them for sticking it to you guys, the competition is among your peers. Well the 'old' guys can't qualify for JOs, but there aren't too many Jr races would wouldn't want to ski like Randy or Johnny P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 All I'm saying is that I think it's a cool idea that Jeff is considering giving "the show" a shot as a real J1. A lot of us envy what you're doing right now, 'Dude. Your races count; they are real. The opposite of NASTAR, so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicSkier Posted January 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 All I'm saying is that I think it's a cool idea that Jeff is considering giving "the show" a shot as a real J1. A lot of us envy what you're doing right now, 'Dude. Your races count; they are real. The opposite of NASTAR, so to speak. I have the utmost respect for the 'Dude and what he does. Beating him in a NASTAR, like you said, proves nothing. I am going to give it a shot, what do I have to lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidude Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 All I'm saying is that I think it's a cool idea that Jeff is considering giving "the show" a shot as a real J1. A lot of us envy what you're doing right now, 'Dude. Your races count; they are real. The opposite of NASTAR, so to speak. Haha I know, and I think anyone who is willing to join USSA and race deserves something, whatever age. Nastar is good for fun, but well, its good for fun I have the utmost respect for the 'Dude and what he does. Beating him in a NASTAR, like you said, proves nothing. I am going to give it a shot, what do I have to lose? DO IT, KICK HIS @$$ OLD MAN wait a minute here, something don't seem right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicSkier Posted January 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Haha I know, and I think anyone who is willing to join USSA and race deserves something, whatever age. Nastar is good for fun, but well, its good for fun DO IT, KICK HIS @$$ OLD MAN wait a minute here, something don't seem right What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidude Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 What are you talking about? I was encoraging you to kick my ass..you just weren't smart enough to pick up on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Okay, everyone is equally confused...Jeff is joining next season; 'Dude is going to kick ass this weekend; and, I'm continuing to ski ASRA and root for you guys. What's the worry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicSkier Posted January 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Okay, everyone is equally confused...Jeff is joining next season; 'Dude is going to kick ass this weekend; and, I'm continuing to ski ASRA and root for you guys. What's the worry? Don't forget Metz! 'Dudes at 7springs this weekend right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimom Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 I always forget he's still a kid. Me too. HELP, POLICE...MY MESSAGE HAS BEEN EDITED BY OUTSIDE FORCES. MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH UIS BEING DENIED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicSkier Posted January 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Me too. HELP, POLICE...MY MESSAGE HAS BEEN EDITED BY OUTSIDE FORCES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz the Jersey boy Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 heck yeah, don't forget me! On a serious note: Honestly guys, i'd give a kidney just to be able to go back in time and take part in a USSA program. After learning what I've learned this year at Twood for ASRA and even in Nastar I wish I had learned the correct techniques and had the amount of practice that I'm finally getting this year. Jeff, please, go for it with USSA. Fortunately for me, I believe its never too late to start anything. I'm going to try and get to as many race camps as possible the rest of this year, and hopefully gain enough knowledge to at least put on a good show at my next ASRA race. And guys, i realize that NASTAR isn't exactly something you take seriously, but for me everytime I get into that gate and get ready to push off its like waiting to recieve the kickoff in the superbowl. Its my chance to leave nothing in the shed, come out hollering, and throw my fist into the air after setting a new personal best. Even though I'm in the bronze division now I'm ranked first in New Jersey for my age group. I can say that in my division I'm first in my state at something. thats cool. I've never felt that before. Hey, my first race this year was a 48 handicap... my last run yesterday was a 27. I'm having the time of my life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 'Dude. Your races count; they are real. The opposite of NASTAR, so to speak. what? No they are not real, they are only "real" if they are olympic of world cup some where on the other side of the world.. gimme a break, any race that that has a timer on it, is a "real" race! Beating him in a NASTAR, like you said, proves nothing. It can prove a lot. If you race in Nastar head to head then it proves you were faster on that day. It proves a lot! Why are you guys so down on the only recreational feeder program to the more competitive racing programs? You would think that for your love of racing you would be more supportive.. I just don't get it, that is the same thing I hear from all the USSA USASA ASRA FIS -- the " i race this program and you don't, your program doesn't mean diddly squat because it isn't this and that.... Whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimom Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Pops, the difference I see is that some people use NASTAR as their final challenge while others use it to test new equipment and techniques, etc. If all racers are full throttle ahead, doing their best on their fastest equipment, then head-to-head NASTAR is a valid test. Comparing someone who is experimenting or training with someone who is going all out for that day is not a test of who is really faster. MetzyBoy: Less than a month ago at Tanglwood you were hardly carving - now you are rolling. Keep at it. You get he most improved award and points for great ski energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaritaville Skier Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Geez, I love the trash talk that goes on here. Can't wait to see you guys put it on the snow!! 8 days and counting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Rob, NASTAR is a pipeline only in it's own vague, overstated definition. By the time kids are J6 age, they should be on USSA development teams. Any decent ski school is MORE of a pipeline to the US Ski Team than NASTAR because there is "coaching" in lessons. Young kids need to learn technical skills. Everyone from Bode to Michael Walchhofer to Raich were slalom specialists. Go ask your buddy, Gary, the following: if you take two 8 yr old kids and had one ski endless laps on NASTAR, while the other was taking lessons from a decent ski instructor, which kid would win a ski race between them? NASTAR is a tool for the coaches of the youngest racers to sometimes use; the courses aren't steep or offset enough to be much more than warmups for older racers. Nobody is trashing NASTAR. NASTAR is just gates in the snow. It doesn't have hurt feelings. The only people of NASTAR are the business guys out to profit off of recreational skiers. Good for them, although I wish it was free, like terrain parks. Perhaps you should start to recognize the value of coaches and instructors, rather than just look for excuses when you don't see the results you seem to expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Rob, NASTAR is a pipeline only in it's own vague, overstated definition. By the time kids are J6 age, they should be on USSA development teams. You are wrong and I am right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz the Jersey boy Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 (edited) Wow. This thread is just starting to stink of maturity. I really REALLY hate taking sides in the whole 999/steeze thing, considering I really think you guys argue just for the sake of arguing. I respect both of you. Unfortunately, I have to say- Paps, you are the parent of a racer. I really feel that in order to present a more educated point of view that you, yourself, should race something other than nastar. ASRA is a real eye-opener. Anyone can race ASRA. I went into the TWood Race thinking that I was fast. I was kinda fast, but in an old school, unefficient kind of way. I still am kinda fast in an old school, unefficient kind of way... but I'm learning! lol. What i'm trying to say is that if the only thing you've ever done is Nastar, you really can't speak for racing. This may seem odd coming from me considering my main format is Nastar. The reason for that is simply that I'm a broke college student, and Nastar is cheap. lol. Trust me, if i had decent income I'd be to and from all the ASRA races during the year. Edited January 31, 2006 by Metz the Jersey boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I have to say- Paps, you are the parent of a racer. I really feel that in order to present a more educated point of view that you, yourself, should race something other than nastar. Uhhhh - wrong... Who skied with my kids more than anyone else by hundreds of times. Why should a parent of a racer race? So that I can talk knowledgeably about it? Thats like saying all the monday morning quarter backs that watched the sunday games are not allowed to talk about them with any knowledge because they have never been on a football team. Using your analogy, I should not listen to the Camelback coach, because if he did ever race, it was many decades ago??? I may race someday when I have time, otherwise I just view ASRA as another recreational beer league, that is my opinion and I am entitled to it. I never raced Nastar with any thought of performance until this year and that is only because everyone asked why I don't race. So I race a timed course and here again I am told that NASTAR is nothing, I should do ASRA --- WTF? why do you guys stop there? Why shouldn't I race World Cup? MD Vertical challenge is exactly that. Nastar is Nastar - ASRA is ASRA - USSA is USSA - FIS, Olympics etc etc. Wake up people, they are all good! When one training philosophy is branded as being the only correct one, then there would never be room for improvement. Ironically - It took an American who does not conform to the norm and is outspoken to win the World Cup last year. Thats a fact. Go ask your buddy, Gary, the following: if you take two 8 yr old kids and had one ski endless laps on NASTAR, while the other was taking lessons from a decent ski instructor, which kid would win a ski race between them? Thanks for the compliment. You said that I am a decent ski instructor, because that is all Ridge has had, well except for the few days this year on the CAT team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbike-ski Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Ok, I want to tap all you racers brains. Running NASTAR I'm trying to keep it simple...wider stance, stay forward (shins against the tongue of my boots), lay the skis over more and link arc'd turns - that's it! Last week it was interesting that my first run - relaxed basically just scoping out the course - was my fastest of the evening! I have some equipment limitations but really can't do much about that right now - any ideas? I want to build a strong foundation so I can use NASTAR as a stepping stone to RASTA and SOFA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 It's actually funny to see how wrong you are, Rob. Bode is a product of USSA training, but he has a shitty attitude. And his shitty attitude has him sitting at home this weekend trying to figure out what went wrong and why he can't finish a race, while everyone else is just continues on with the tour. Is it a good thing to be such a jerk that coaches tell you to fly home? Then when you get home, you spout hateful rumors about American Heroes like Lance? Metzy, bro, you nailed it exactly. I won't even add to what you said. Going up the levels of racing can be a humbling experience. I am humbled every weekend. The key is to learn from it. Not to act like a jerk and start in with a bunch of excuses. Learning how to race as a parent---really race---is simply a tool. I played soccer in high school and college and am a much better coach of little kids because of it, even just for the simple basics I can pass on. I have seen you carve a turn, Rob, and so I'm at a loss to understand what you could possibly have to offer a junior racer. Non-racing parents such as yourself can teach something just as important as on hill skils; they can teach sportsmanship. And how are you doing with that, Rob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Non-racing parents such as yourself can teach something just as important as on hill skils; they can teach sportsmanship. And how are you doing with that, Rob? Pretty good. I found a racing organization that deducts seconds and adds seconds for sportsmanship!! Thanks for the link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbike-ski Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Some Old Fat Alcoholics (SOFA) is wher Bode is headin unless he gets it together soon and RASTA is an offshoot of the Jamaican bobsled program - in other words I really don't have any aspirations other than to go out and ski as fast as I can once or twice a week and could use a few pointers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 What's RASTA and SOFA? My fastest time two weeks ago was also my first run...weird but ski999 said that's sometimes the case..it's frustrating though...ideally I would want my last time to be my best. NASTAR is a great venue to play with gear and techniques and use the clock on any day to guage the results. If you take a look at Ridges first race day you will see groups of races with dramatically different results. The last race was on his "race day" skis in speed suit. Every day can be different. Some times the course speeds up as it gets scraped off, other times it slows down, wax wears off, ruts cause loss of edge contact or chatter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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