pyro_boarder

It dosn't need to be closed, just remove the last 5 pages or so. ( I was going to use the eye roll smile here, but it's smiling )

With a width of 2' you could probably get away with studs evey 4' or so where ever you have uprights.

I thought adding a solute always lowered the freezing point?

The point is not too just say this is how to do it. It is to give enough information on the design considerations so you can design and build it however you like. I will however, include designs for a basic box to give an idea and give a quick fix if that is what you are looking for. Just a diagram will still raise many questions and the point is to try to answer as many as possible in one place. Glenn, I put the links are there more as a works cited. I'm not sure yet if I'll just make that more clear, or work it into more of a further research thing. *** I'm going to wait until more people post suggestions then use all of the suggestions to revise it. To do: Make it more clear as to the purpose and the assumptions made when writing. Add diagrams. Warning about pressure treated lumber. Improve the Framing section Finish Top Sheet Materials Table Pro/Con for metals Suppliers

I did a little revision and added a rough draft for a table of top sheet materials. If any one has more information on using the materials, specificaly from Formica down, please let me know as I don't have any experance or knowledge about using them. Also this is a working document so if you have any suggestions on how to improve it post them and I will do another revision. See also: The "FAQ's" FAQ

A couple of years ago they said something about satlite radio. I don't know what they use most of the time but I have heard radio stations before.

Talkback 16 Thread on the deal for those interested. http://www.wnep.com/Global/link.asp?L=1039...eps=22&dstart=0 Mostly positive feedback with a few people who don't have a clue.

PASR Box Building Guide As we progress in park skiing and riding people often want to build boxes or rails so that they can practice at home. Many people on this message board have asked the question “How do I build a box?” So here is an introduction to box building compiled from posts made on PASR over the past few years. This guide is intended to help give you enough information on the topic of box building so you can design and construct a box to your specific needs and desires, as well as learn what types of materials to use for different aspects of the box. It is not intended to be a step-by-step how to, but rather an informative reference. If you are just looking for plans there are [or rather will be soon] links at the bottom of the guide. Also note that this guide is written assuming you have some experience in handiwork. If you do not have this kind of background then this is a great project to get started, but you will need to gain some background knowledge before beginning. The Basics A box generally consists of a frame, top sheet, and copping. These will be discussed in detail later. For your first box you will probably start out with a flat box. Once you have some experience with a flat box, building any other type of box is just a matter of being creative in the construction. Tools Although it is possible to build a box using just hand tools, having power tools available will make the process much easier. Although specific tools will vary based on your choice of materials and construction methods you will probably need at least a saw, drill/driver, and measurement tools. Design There are many design considerations to take into account when building a box. Specific recommendations will not be discussed as the final design is largely a matter of preference; however we will go over the things you want to take into account when designing your box. If you want to visualize you box Google has a easy to use CAD program called SketchUp available for free at http://sketchup.google.com/. This program could be used to mock up your design before construction begins. Note: the following is written assuming you are building a flat box, but most of the advice applies to other types of boxes as well. Dimensions The dimensions for your box are determined by many factors. Most important is personal preference and the intended use, available space, and your budget. Some things to consider when choosing the length, width, and height are listed below. Length: Most people recommend making the box longer than 10’. You can make it shorter if you need or want it that way. Width: Most boxes are around a foot wide but do vary greatly. Some range from only a few inches wide to 4’ or more (i.e. butter boxes). When deciding on the width think about what you will be using it for and your preference for width. A wider box will be easer to balance on while a narrower one will be more of a challenge. Height: Do you want a low box to practice on or something high to challenge yourself. You should also take in to account that a box that is short relative to its width will be easier to stabilize that a taller box. The exception to this would be if you are burying the box in snow. Materials There are many materials that can be used to make a box. In general the box is made from wood or metal, and the top sheet and coping are some type of plastic or metal. Specific materials and their uses as well as pros and cons for each component of the box are discussed below. Frame Most home built boxes will are built form wood. 2x4 studs are the most common material use with ply-wood sheeting. This does not mean that you can not build a box out of what ever you have available (or free). You could also build the box out of metal if you have the necessary skills and equipment. Basically you want to build a box out of your material, use diagonals to sturdy it up and add strong legs or supports so it will not tip. Sheeting can then be added to protect the frame. Any wood that is exposed to the elements should be either painted with outdoor paint or pressure treated lumber*. You should follow general construction methods, but exactly how you should go about framing it out is beyond the scope of this guide. * Important: Pressure treated lumber may contain chemicals that pose health risks. If you intend to use it please go to this Consumer Safety Information Sheet for information on the risks and safety precautions that should be taken. Top Sheet The top sheet is usually some type of plastic that makes the box more slippery and protects the box and your skis/board from damage. What type of material to use is the most commonly asked question so there is a table below that lists most materials that are used with there pros and cons. The top sheet should be secured to the box in between the coping (or on top if the box will not have coping). It should be secured in to the frame with countersunk screws so they do not damage equipment. Coping Coping is a rail around the box that is raised slightly above the top sheet. It can be metal or plastic (e.g. PVC) tube. Care should be taken when using PVC or aluminum because the softness of the material has been reported to catch edges; however, this should not be a problem if you are careful to not dig your edge in. Aluminum has also been reported to be sticky and PVC is slick. Angle Iron can also be used as coping. Steel tube is a good choice for the coping but is more expensive. Steel tube, with the exception of galvanized steel, or angle iron will rust, but it is easy to file off. In order to attach pipe to the box you can screw up through the pipe if it is soft plastic. Alternatively you can drill a hole big enough to let the head of the nail through the top of the pipe. Then drill a hole just big enough to accommodate the threads on the opposite side of the pipe. You can then fasten the pipe with the screw through the smaller hole using the larger one to access it. Top sheet material table ========================== UHMW (Ultra High Molecular Weight polyethylene) UHMW is a high very density polyethylene plastic used by ski resorts for top sheet. Pros: Very high abrasion and impact resistance as well as a low coefficient of friction which make it very well suited for top sheet. Will out last all other listed materials. Cons: Cost ----------------------------- HDPE (High Density PolyEthylene) High density plastic similar to UHMW. Also know as puck board. Pros: Very durable, easy to work with, and slides well. Cons: Cost ----------------------------- ABS ABS plastic is rigid and impact resistant. Note: Pros v. Cons are currently unavailable because there is not enough experience with using this material. If you have used it let us know about it works. ----------------------------- Formica Formica is commonly used as counter top material and is available at most home improvement stores. Pros: It slides well, and is readily available. Cons: Chips easily in the absence of coping. ----------------------------- Acrylic (e.g. Plexiglas) Acrylic is a clear used to replace glass in applications where it could be easily broken. Pros: Readily available at home improvement stores. Cons: Prone to cracking and should not be fastened with countersunk screws. It is also relatively soft and should be used only with coping. ----------------------------- Lexan LEXAN

I thought they were already there. I rode White Lightning Last year with a few inches of fresh blown snow from them.

no, it's oak grove ----- upper moore's ramble ----- rhodo ------raceway (I had to look it up before)

That sucks, I love ripping though oak grove. It's almost always empty and usualy has great snow. Although, I do admit that it is probaly one of the best areas to have the park in. State College

Yes - if we do something about it.

Now we have to wait and see if they follow through on this. I don't think it will have a huge impact on the local rider scene this year, but should attract more people that don't have preconceived notions of the mountain. I think this year will be more like a trial period for them. If they really do step it up this year, then next year they should have a good chance at getting back some of the local riders. It really depends on how much effort they put in. All we can do now is wait for the season to see how it turns out. Anyway It sucks they they choose step it up the year I leave.

I think that ignore list is doing its job.

I have a pair of burton gloves, not sure which mode. They were great when I first got them, but I've had them for 3-4 years so there getting worn down. I also got another pair of gloves this year that are really warm, but there too warm for the warmer days. I don't remember the brand at the moment.

Congratulations on the new board.

I haven't gotten anything yet. Maybe they just sending them to families or adults or something. Or Maybe it just didn't come yet.

The say thing is 2 crappy boxes is a huge improvement for there terrain parks.

HDPE (High Density PolyEthylene) is what they use at some mountains. You would probably have to buy from a stock plastics supplier, or maybe ebay. If you were desperate you could probably use a bunch of HDPE cutting boards. There are also at least a couple more threads on this.

What was the set up like? I wanted to go, but I just got back from work and would have only caught the last 10-15 minutes or so. If I was a bit warmer I might have tried to run down.

One thing about blue that I did not like was that it had too much of an industrial feel to it. I would hate to have that feel at CB. Once you get past the water slides. CB has a rustic feel that I really like. And if my home mountain had those stupid corrals, I think I would go crazy.

Either Rocket or Asp were bumped up for most of the season. That was one of the changes this year that I'm sure we all appreciated.

1. Stay Open! Today is only one of the many times this season I couldn't ski because they were closed. I know that has been a big complaint this year. 2. Show that you actually care about you customers. I know that many people are tired of having their suggestions and constructive criticism disregarded and have given up on CB as a lost cause. If CB doesn't care about improving themselves that why should I. Those are the main things that need to be addressed. I think Camelback mountain is a great ski area, but the way it is run makes it much less appealing. Once these things are addressed and if CB were more open to suggestions then I'm sure we could all work together to make the whole experiace better, but until CB starts caring they will never get rid of the stigma they have brought upon themselves. I apologize for going off on a tangent before. I was just trying to state that CB, at this time, does not seem open to suggestions. If you want to get something done it will take much more that a list of possible improvements. If you are willing to put in the commitment that it will take I will support that effort, but It would take a lot more time and effort with no gaurentee they will listen.

There needs to be discussion about the ideas. You need to develop the ideas and develop solutions as well as expand and bring about new ideas. Just saying "I have this idea" and saying "I have an idea and how it should be implemented." are two very different things. Just telling Camelback that they should improve this or that won't do any good. It has been done many times before, and they don't care. The only way you can bring about change is if you can convince them that the change will be beneficial to them, in the case of CB make more money. This is great to brainstorm ideas and to get organised, but if you want to change any thing you need to pick one problem any attack that. Prove to them that they want to change it and show that you have a ton of support from the people that they care about including the people who just make one or two trips from NY/NJ. If you want to force CB to change for the better I'll lend my support, but It's going to take a lot of work. Making a large corporation like CB change their policies is no small task.

I just had all 3 on the satlite mape as well as pics from their sites and It's really hard to tell, but now I'm leaning tward Shawnee. I don't know. We need to position someone a CB and someone at Shawnee with an ariel flare. That should settle it.