Papasteeze Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Oh, and since this thread has a "results" warning: Bode DNF'd in last night's slalom at Schladming, for anyone interested. thanks! good to know that he is still pushing the limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 thanks! good to know that he is still pushing the limits. He skied off course and threw up, Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast21602 Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 He skied off course and threw up, Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 He skied off course and threw up, Rob. pics or it didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sibhusky Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 (edited) Bode encouraged his cousin, even bailed him out and told him to "show the bastard".Can I have a link to where you saw this. I'm googling around and not finding any info other than the cousin (NOT BODE) shot the cop. As near as I can tell, Bode wasn't there and the only part he played to do with the cop was contesting a ticket the cop gave him once. Here's the most thorough write up I found: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...mp;pagewanted=1 Edited January 24, 2008 by sibhusky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Can I have a link to where you saw this. I'm googling around and not finding any info other than the cousin (NOT BODE) shot the cop. As near as I can tell, Bode wasn't there and the only part he played to do with the cop was contesting a ticket the cop gave him once. Here's the most thorough write up I found: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...mp;pagewanted=1 Bode didn't shoot the cop. He bailed his mentally ill cousin out and encouraged him to escalate the situation. Bode came to his cousin's side after he nearly killed his aunt by chainsawing a 40 foot tree onto her house while she was inside, then attacked her and chased her to a neighbor's. She had to get a restraining order. It was unclear whether the financial help Bode gave to his cousin helped him buy the gun Liko used to murder the cop, but Liko wasn't making any money at the time. That handgun sure meant a lot to Liko. So when Liko's 15 yr old cousin swiped it and some porn dvd's from his cabin, Liko responded by attacking the kid and choking him, for which he was arrested and convicted. Yeah, there's also the conviction for assaulting an officer and resisting arrest and cutting a court ordered monitoring device from his ankle. How about violating probation by driving around his atv with a blowgun and steel darts? On and on and on. And through all this, it was never Liko who had the problem. Bode blamed the cop. He was so smug that he joked to Sports Illustrated about sticking it to the cop. No, Bode didn't shoot the cop. He just enabled a mentally ill family member to do it. He could have used his influence to diffuse the situation, but he chose a different route. Now there's a war between the Kenneys and the Millers. The four brothers all want the land they inherited and have lawyered up. One side of the family is bitter that they had the nerve to testify against Liko for nearly choking to death his 15 yr old cousin. Yeah, Liko was a free spirit and a great kid. He nearly killed two family members before hopping in his beat up, unregistered Celica with a jug of vodka and a loaded handgun. From an article in Boston Magazine: "Kenney revved his car forward, striking the officer. Then he backed up and drove at McKay again, this time plowing the front end of the Celica up over McKay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Grade Teacher Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Now there's a war between the Kenneys and the Millers. The four brothers all want the land they inherited and have lawyered up. One side of the family is bitter that they had the nerve to testify against Liko for nearly choking to death his 15 yr old cousin. It must be a big war between the Kenneys and Millers since Uncle Mike Kenney is one of Bodes coaches and travels with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 It must be a big war between the Kenneys and Millers since Uncle Mike Kenney is one of Bodes coaches and travels with him. Christ, 1st Grade, do your own fucking research if you're interested. The clan is so inbred that last names are intermixed. As of YESTERDAY, trial dates are still pending. "His siblings have retained lawyers, too, and now the dispute is in court, with the possible result being that Tamarack will wind up in the hands of a developer. There are other tensions simmering at the camp as well. The other Kenneys have grown so angry at the Millers for their role in Liko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Grade Teacher Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Christ, 1st Grade, do your own fucking research if you're interested. The clan is so inbred that last names are intermixed. As of YESTERDAY, trial dates are still pending. "His siblings have retained lawyers, too, and now the dispute is in court, with the possible result being that Tamarack will wind up in the hands of a developer. There are other tensions simmering at the camp as well. The other Kenneys have grown so angry at the Millers for their role in Liko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Research what? You claim it's a big deal. Nobody else cares. It's a family dispute.................who cares? Can't be that big a deal if Mike KENNEY is coaching Bode MILLER. If I follow your logic, next Bode will shoot his uncle or maybe Mike will drive the RV over Bode. Time will tell. Cop killing isn't big news, eh? Maybe you should get out more. And Bode's coach is the part of the family on Bode's side. Can't you read? There are four brothers all suing each other. And the town is now fighting about whether to name a stretch of highway after the slain officer. You have the internet, 1st Grade. Don't you know how to use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Grade Teacher Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Cop killing isn't big news, eh? Maybe you should get out more. And Bode's coach is the part of the family on Bode's side. Can't you read? There are four brothers all suing each other. And the town is now fighting about whether to name a stretch of highway after the slain officer. You have the internet, 1st Grade. Don't you know how to use it? I don't care so why would I research it? I don't spend my days searching the internet for some little piece of info that doesn't matter to anyone but Ski. I'm really glad you told me your not an Astronaught. You worry me! Is there any other important info about Bodes family that you think we should know? I hope not! Because of you, I'm not sure I'll be able to sleep tonight! I think I'll have a beer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 You say you don't care, but you post endlessly about the subject. And if you think nobody cares, you haven't seen the hundreds of blogs and hundreds of news articles. The most decorated ski racer in US history encouraged a mentally ill relative into a situation that ended the life of a cop. If it had been Barry Bonds or Michael Jordan, then it would have been front page news for weeks. But Bonds and Jordan wouldn't have done it in the first place. Drink up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Papasteeze Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) You say you don't care, but you post endlessly about the subject. And if you think nobody cares, you haven't seen the hundreds of blogs and hundreds of news articles. The most decorated ski racer in US history encouraged a mentally ill relative into a situation that ended the life of a cop. If it had been Barry Bonds or Michael Jordan, then it would have been front page news for weeks. But Bonds and Jordan wouldn't have done it in the first place. Drink up! OH Stop!! As a former journalist, I am really surprised that you of all people would get sucked into that kind of muck raking. It's garbage ski, in spite of our differences, I have respect for you, but this really oozes of you searching the bottom of the barrel something to drag up unrelated to his feats with racing which isn't repectful in my eyes related to the "news" . Everyone knows that blowing sunshine up peoples butts doesn't sell. But getting all the rotten juicy tidbits does sell the dirt rags you seem to be scouring. Quit feeding that kind of crap. Really, few care about someones' cousins' brothers' uncle who got into a fight behind the school. They care much more about the accomplishments of the individual. what is done is done. Root for our fellow racer to help grow the sport we love and quit tearing him down. It only makes you look good to religious right...... which you arent. Edited January 25, 2008 by Papasteeze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Bullshit, Rob. You have always said that character doesn't matter. That if you are great, it doesn't matter how much of an asshole you are. I say it does matter. I say that baseball players who get drunk and run over people shouldn't be admired. There has been a growing realization that the special treatment top high school athletes are getting has come back to hurt the kids in the end. This carries on into college, where---except for places like Notre Dame and the armed services academies, college basketball player almost never graduate in Division 1 schools. I was living in Massachusetts in the mid-80's when it was revealed that the second ranked team in the nation had a GPA of 1.2. One kid went on to be an NBA star, while the rest went on to jail. As soon as they weren't 'needed', they were discarded. Leko's problem has been repeatedly described as frustration from a sense of entitlement. Those are words from psychiatrists who studied the case. Hypothetical situation: say a parent raises a child to be disrespectful and rebellious and to believe that having a special talent makes him better than anyone else. And when he fails, the child lashes out and hurts other people. Is it solely the child's fault when he lands in prison? If a family member tells another, mentally ill family member with a long history of violence to "go after" a cop, you don't feel the first family member has any responsibility? Bode clearly knew his cousin had a handgun and had already nearly choked to death another cousin to get it back. But Bode just bailed him out and enabled him to keep the gun. It's the same fucking problem we see in schools more and more. Parents don't take responsibility for their kids actions anymore. Lousy parents dump their problems on teachers and admins. And it's the good kids who suffer. It's a simple fact right out of Bode's own mouth that he encouraged his mentally ill cousin into that terrible situation. A mentally ill kid who had already nearly killed two family members. I don't care if not a single person agrees with me that Bode made a bad situation worse in how he dealt with his cousin who idolized him. I read just about every news story and every quote and nearly ever blog about the case and formed my own opinion. I did so because ski racing is a huge part of my life and Bode is a huge figure. You don't care about a person's character, only his or her results. That's fine for you. To me, character is equally important when I choose to root for an athlete or vote for a politician. Hey, I bet you've gotten some great deals on Kobe Bryant and Michael Vick jerseys. I bet you see it as a bummer how a few dead dogs and a sexually assaulted girl can get in the way of practice time. More than half the country feels that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Law Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 ^ I don't know you so I won't say things that I don't know to be true but what I don't understand is why you are so angry. I didn't know all of those "facts" about the situation with Bode's cousin but I don't disagree that he may have made a bad situation worse. I wasn't there and honestly man neither were you, so you can read every god damn thing that was written and still not know what actually went on. Even in death penalty proceedings things are twisted and obscured and in some circumstances important details are left out for procedural reasons, all I'm trying to say is to take the broader view on this. Being passionate is a positive quality but it can certainly cloud ones judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 I have heard that people that are condemning and self righteous are usually so because they either have something to hide or are paying a pentance (sp?) or both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 I have heard that people that are condemning and self righteous are usually so because they either have something to hide or are paying a pentance (sp?) or both! Fuck off, Rob. You called my little kid a prostitute. You better just avoid me for a really long time. Go find your kid's booze stash and drink up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 ^ I don't know you so I won't say things that I don't know to be true but what I don't understand is why you are so angry. I didn't know all of those "facts" about the situation with Bode's cousin but I don't disagree that he may have made a bad situation worse. I wasn't there and honestly man neither were you, so you can read every god damn thing that was written and still not know what actually went on. Even in death penalty proceedings things are twisted and obscured and in some circumstances important details are left out for procedural reasons, all I'm trying to say is to take the broader view on this. Being passionate is a positive quality but it can certainly cloud ones judgment. I'm passionate about cases where hillbilly scumbags kill cops and leave little kids without their dads. There's only one side of that. Root for Bode all you want. I don't care. Bode could have diffused it, but chose to make it worse. And it sure got worse. I'm not yelling at you, Johnny. You stepped into a thread where there's history involved between Rob and I. Either he or his lovely kids posted my phone number and had a bunch of kids from NS call my home and really upset my wife a while back. Someone on NS forwarded the message which contained his IP address. He never had the balls to apologize. Character counts, as far as I'm concerned. Rob just doesn't have any. Okay. I'm done with this thread. I think the horse has been beaten far too long. Enjoy rooting for the hillbilly cop killing clan, Rob! You're sure headed for lots of stuff like that in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papasteeze Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 (edited) Fuck off, Rob. You called my little kid a prostitute. You better just avoid me for a really long time. Go find your kid's booze stash and drink up. why should I avoid you? I obviously have so much good to learn from you. Edited January 26, 2008 by Papasteeze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Grade Teacher Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Don't look now but Bode is leading the Worldcup with another win in combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbike-ski Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 ehh he sucks, its the wax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Posted January 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 ehh he sucks, its the wax We sure have different definitions of heroes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHarrisburg Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 So is "Bode enabled his cop-killer cousin" the new "Bode is a lousy drunk who will go nowhere after he leaves the US team" now that he's doing well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Law Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 (edited) I'm passionate about cases where hillbilly scumbags kill cops and leave little kids without their dads. There's only one side of that. Root for Bode all you want. I don't care. Bode could have diffused it, but chose to make it worse. And it sure got worse. I'm not yelling at you, Johnny. You stepped into a thread where there's history involved between Rob and I. Either he or his lovely kids posted my phone number and had a bunch of kids from NS call my home and really upset my wife a while back. Someone on NS forwarded the message which contained his IP address. He never had the balls to apologize. Character counts, as far as I'm concerned. Rob just doesn't have any. Okay. I'm done with this thread. I think the horse has been beaten far too long. Enjoy rooting for the hillbilly cop killing clan, Rob! You're sure headed for lots of stuff like that in the future. I guess we will have to agree to disagree as far as Bode is concerned, regardless the phone calls to your house is seriously weak sauce. I don't know why people take message board discussions to that level but your right, that shows a serious lack of character. Edited January 28, 2008 by Johnny Law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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