Johnny Law Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 They can't even get a water park built. I can't imagine the buildout on all of that... No that's not what's going on. Word is Barb has a brother or some other kind of relation that is part owner and is also dying/dead. Barb is old and wants out, any business before a potential sale gussies up the books. You want the most money possible thus you want to look as profitable as possible and large capital expenditures don't jive with that. Before anyone goes crazy none of this has been confirmed by any kind of media and I wouldn't go nuts about who is buying blue, this is more of a long term game. Short term last year I understand they had a bit of a liquidity crisis, hence in part the layaway program they had on passes this year. Season pass peeps are the neccesary assholes as far as the resort is concerned we are an interest free loan in the summer that generally ends up costing them money in the winter but at that time cash flow is highest. Last year was pretty good for us, consistently cold and some decent snow but it sucked from there perspective because the three biggest weekends were rain outs. Ski resorts are pretty much a terrible business, it's seasonal by nature which makes everything way more expensive because it's tough to plan and you dependent on weather which is always a ten foot dick waiting to fuck you in the ass. Vail Resorts are the king shits of the liquidity issue, they got a war chest, they find resorts that have cash flow issues snap them up and use there war chest to make capital improvements while offering a cheap season pass. They are liquidity predators and pretty fucking good at it. PS no fucking way VR buys blue, its way out of their zone, it's not the kind of place that makes more money because you blew 100mil worth of capital improvements into the hill. Blue knows this everyone knows this so they have shelled out a bunch of money over the last couple years to try to even out the cash flow, both lodges got major overhauls (tents kinda suck but they certainly aren't free and give them flexibility in the long term), they added a restaurant and started the process on the water park. Then when the ownership issues presented themselves along with the tightness in cash flow they wisely put the whole thing on hold. LV cats correct me if I'm wrong but Barb for a long time has been trying to get a casino at blue under the Palmerton is a shit hole argument, I at least seem to remember her in the papers alot arguing for one. Tents at the base are a result of the following, for awhile she was hoping for a casino permit and put the lodge shit on hold figuring if they got on that completely changes the build out. As this now seems like a real long shot they made the long necessary lodge improvements in an attempt to improve cash flow but didn't want to commit to permanent structures in case the casino thing ever happened in the meantime she got older and her partner either died or is on the way out and figured fuck it I'm too old for this shit and is planning to sell and walk. Everyone should be aware none of this shit comes from legit news sources just people that work at blue and shit you hear in state tax circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrilledSteezeSandwich Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I never heard about the casino. I don't think a casino would do well at Blue...the market is way oversaturated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe ghoul Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 No that's not what's going on. Word is Barb has a brother or some other kind of relation that is part owner and is also dying/dead. Barb is old and wants out, any business before a potential sale gussies up the books. You want the most money possible thus you want to look as profitable as possible and large capital expenditures don't jive with that. Before anyone goes crazy none of this has been confirmed by any kind of media and I wouldn't go nuts about who is buying blue, this is more of a long term game. Short term last year I understand they had a bit of a liquidity crisis, hence in part the layaway program they had on passes this year. Season pass peeps are the neccesary assholes as far as the resort is concerned we are an interest free loan in the summer that generally ends up costing them money in the winter but at that time cash flow is highest. Last year was pretty good for us, consistently cold and some decent snow but it sucked from there perspective because the three biggest weekends were rain outs. Ski resorts are pretty much a terrible business, it's seasonal by nature which makes everything way more expensive because it's tough to plan and you dependent on weather which is always a ten foot dick waiting to fuck you in the ass. Vail Resorts are the king shits of the liquidity issue, they got a war chest, they find resorts that have cash flow issues snap them up and use there war chest to make capital improvements while offering a cheap season pass. They are liquidity predators and pretty fucking good at it. PS no fucking way VR buys blue, its way out of their zone, it's not the kind of place that makes more money because you blew 100mil worth of capital improvements into the hill. Blue knows this everyone knows this so they have shelled out a bunch of money over the last couple years to try to even out the cash flow, both lodges got major overhauls (tents kinda suck but they certainly aren't free and give them flexibility in the long term), they added a restaurant and started the process on the water park. Then when the ownership issues presented themselves along with the tightness in cash flow they wisely put the whole thing on hold. LV cats correct me if I'm wrong but Barb for a long time has been trying to get a casino at blue under the Palmerton is a shit hole argument, I at least seem to remember her in the papers alot arguing for one. Tents at the base are a result of the following, for awhile she was hoping for a casino permit and put the lodge shit on hold figuring if they got on that completely changes the build out. As this now seems like a real long shot they made the long necessary lodge improvements in an attempt to improve cash flow but didn't want to commit to permanent structures in case the casino thing ever happened in the meantime she got older and her partner either died or is on the way out and figured fuck it I'm too old for this shit and is planning to sell and walk. Everyone should be aware none of this shit comes from legit news sources just people that work at blue and shit you hear in state tax circles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Law Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I wasn't saying that to be a dick I'm saying its gossip so grain of salt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast21602 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 No that's not what's going on. Word is Barb has a brother or some other kind of relation that is part owner and is also dying/dead. Barb is old and wants out, any business before a potential sale gussies up the books. You want the most money possible thus you want to look as profitable as possible and large capital expenditures don't jive with that. Before anyone goes crazy none of this has been confirmed by any kind of media and I wouldn't go nuts about who is buying blue, this is more of a long term game. Short term last year I understand they had a bit of a liquidity crisis, hence in part the layaway program they had on passes this year. Season pass peeps are the neccesary assholes as far as the resort is concerned we are an interest free loan in the summer that generally ends up costing them money in the winter but at that time cash flow is highest. Last year was pretty good for us, consistently cold and some decent snow but it sucked from there perspective because the three biggest weekends were rain outs. Ski resorts are pretty much a terrible business, it's seasonal by nature which makes everything way more expensive because it's tough to plan and you dependent on weather which is always a ten foot dick waiting to fuck you in the ass. Vail Resorts are the king shits of the liquidity issue, they got a war chest, they find resorts that have cash flow issues snap them up and use there war chest to make capital improvements while offering a cheap season pass. They are liquidity predators and pretty fucking good at it. PS no fucking way VR buys blue, its way out of their zone, it's not the kind of place that makes more money because you blew 100mil worth of capital improvements into the hill. Blue knows this everyone knows this so they have shelled out a bunch of money over the last couple years to try to even out the cash flow, both lodges got major overhauls (tents kinda suck but they certainly aren't free and give them flexibility in the long term), they added a restaurant and started the process on the water park. Then when the ownership issues presented themselves along with the tightness in cash flow they wisely put the whole thing on hold. LV cats correct me if I'm wrong but Barb for a long time has been trying to get a casino at blue under the Palmerton is a shit hole argument, I at least seem to remember her in the papers alot arguing for one. Tents at the base are a result of the following, for awhile she was hoping for a casino permit and put the lodge shit on hold figuring if they got on that completely changes the build out. As this now seems like a real long shot they made the long necessary lodge improvements in an attempt to improve cash flow but didn't want to commit to permanent structures in case the casino thing ever happened in the meantime she got older and her partner either died or is on the way out and figured fuck it I'm too old for this shit and is planning to sell and walk. Everyone should be aware none of this shit comes from legit news sources just people that work at blue and shit you hear in state tax circles. QFT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe ghoul Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I wasn't saying that to be a dick I'm saying its gossip so grain of salt I was simply looking for an opportunity to use this classic Farley character image I ran across earlier today. I never heard about the casino. I don't think a casino would do well at Blue...the market is way oversaturated 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFskiDan Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 No that's not what's going on. Word is Barb has a brother or some other kind of relation that is part owner and is also dying/dead. Barb is old and wants out, any business before a potential sale gussies up the books. You want the most money possible thus you want to look as profitable as possible and large capital expenditures don't jive with that. Before anyone goes crazy none of this has been confirmed by any kind of media and I wouldn't go nuts about who is buying blue, this is more of a long term game. Short term last year I understand they had a bit of a liquidity crisis, hence in part the layaway program they had on passes this year. Season pass peeps are the neccesary assholes as far as the resort is concerned we are an interest free loan in the summer that generally ends up costing them money in the winter but at that time cash flow is highest. Last year was pretty good for us, consistently cold and some decent snow but it sucked from there perspective because the three biggest weekends were rain outs. Ski resorts are pretty much a terrible business, it's seasonal by nature which makes everything way more expensive because it's tough to plan and you dependent on weather which is always a ten foot dick waiting to fuck you in the ass. Vail Resorts are the king shits of the liquidity issue, they got a war chest, they find resorts that have cash flow issues snap them up and use there war chest to make capital improvements while offering a cheap season pass. They are liquidity predators and pretty fucking good at it. PS no fucking way VR buys blue, its way out of their zone, it's not the kind of place that makes more money because you blew 100mil worth of capital improvements into the hill. Blue knows this everyone knows this so they have shelled out a bunch of money over the last couple years to try to even out the cash flow, both lodges got major overhauls (tents kinda suck but they certainly aren't free and give them flexibility in the long term), they added a restaurant and started the process on the water park. Then when the ownership issues presented themselves along with the tightness in cash flow they wisely put the whole thing on hold. LV cats correct me if I'm wrong but Barb for a long time has been trying to get a casino at blue under the Palmerton is a shit hole argument, I at least seem to remember her in the papers alot arguing for one. Tents at the base are a result of the following, for awhile she was hoping for a casino permit and put the lodge shit on hold figuring if they got on that completely changes the build out. As this now seems like a real long shot they made the long necessary lodge improvements in an attempt to improve cash flow but didn't want to commit to permanent structures in case the casino thing ever happened in the meantime she got older and her partner either died or is on the way out and figured fuck it I'm too old for this shit and is planning to sell and walk. Everyone should be aware none of this shit comes from legit news sources just people that work at blue and shit you hear in state tax circles. Yeah, i heard Something will happen with something somewhere at Blue. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GrilledSteezeSandwich Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 No that's not what's going on. Word is Barb has a brother or some other kind of relation that is part owner and is also dying/dead. Barb is old and wants out, any business before a potential sale gussies up the books. You want the most money possible thus you want to look as profitable as possible and large capital expenditures don't jive with that. Before anyone goes crazy none of this has been confirmed by any kind of media and I wouldn't go nuts about who is buying blue, this is more of a long term game. Short term last year I understand they had a bit of a liquidity crisis, hence in part the layaway program they had on passes this year. Season pass peeps are the neccesary assholes as far as the resort is concerned we are an interest free loan in the summer that generally ends up costing them money in the winter but at that time cash flow is highest. Last year was pretty good for us, consistently cold and some decent snow but it sucked from there perspective because the three biggest weekends were rain outs. Ski resorts are pretty much a terrible business, it's seasonal by nature which makes everything way more expensive because it's tough to plan and you dependent on weather which is always a ten foot dick waiting to fuck you in the ass. Vail Resorts are the king shits of the liquidity issue, they got a war chest, they find resorts that have cash flow issues snap them up and use there war chest to make capital improvements while offering a cheap season pass. They are liquidity predators and pretty fucking good at it. PS no fucking way VR buys blue, its way out of their zone, it's not the kind of place that makes more money because you blew 100mil worth of capital improvements into the hill. Blue knows this everyone knows this so they have shelled out a bunch of money over the last couple years to try to even out the cash flow, both lodges got major overhauls (tents kinda suck but they certainly aren't free and give them flexibility in the long term), they added a restaurant and started the process on the water park. Then when the ownership issues presented themselves along with the tightness in cash flow they wisely put the whole thing on hold. LV cats correct me if I'm wrong but Barb for a long time has been trying to get a casino at blue under the Palmerton is a shit hole argument, I at least seem to remember her in the papers alot arguing for one. Tents at the base are a result of the following, for awhile she was hoping for a casino permit and put the lodge shit on hold figuring if they got on that completely changes the build out. As this now seems like a real long shot they made the long necessary lodge improvements in an attempt to improve cash flow but didn't want to commit to permanent structures in case the casino thing ever happened in the meantime she got older and her partner either died or is on the way out and figured fuck it I'm too old for this shit and is planning to sell and walk. Everyone should be aware none of this shit comes from legit news sources just people that work at blue and shit you hear in state tax circles. Wow just wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Law Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Somewhere ugh her face makes me want to punch puppies in their stupid puppy faces........she has real talent for sure but something about her makes me want to embrace genocide...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrilledSteezeSandwich Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 ugh her face makes me want to punch puppies in their stupid puppy faces........she has real talent for sure but something about her makes me want to embrace genocide...... Hitler agrees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Law Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Hitler agrees hahahahaha I forgot she was jewish.....wow now that sounds really bad..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 How is that restaurant at the upper lodge? Didn't set foot in it last year, but looked half decent. Good beer on tap. (Good beer on tap at that upstairs bar too....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrilledSteezeSandwich Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 TheDude4Bides said the hamburger sangwiches are thin and not cooked to order and expensive like $12-13. Looks like overpriced bar food. I'll pass. I've never bought a beer at Blue before. The race team dudes hangout there and I think craft beers are $7-8 each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 TheDude4Bides said the hamburger sangwiches are thin and not cooked to order and expensive like $12-13. Looks like overpriced bar food. I'll pass. I've never bought a beer at Blue before. The race team dudes hangout there and I think craft beers are $7-8 each. When you are a commuter like me and you're only having one, I don't mind $8 for a good beer. So, here's a cheaper expansion plan for Blue.....skier's right beyond paradise - where the new trail is going to be I think, thin the woods, add a flat - maybe even uphill! this is 'hike-to' terrain! - maybe one run 10 ft. wide bail out kind of trail down the mountain, there, then a horizontal flat traverse back to where paradise runs into the flat run out... Put some snow blowers in woods! Have man made snow in the trees! AND LIGHTS! North america's only hike-to side country with snow making and night skiing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast21602 Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 The food is fine. People complain about everything. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrilledSteezeSandwich Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 10% off food for passholders We spend alot of money to ski there. Not eat their mediocre food. I actually spent zero last season at blue on food. The year before I bought a bacon cheeseburger and a few OJs for mimosas. When you are a commuter like me and you're only having one, I don't mind $8 for a good beer. So, here's a cheaper expansion plan for Blue.....skier's right beyond paradise - where the new trail is going to be I think, thin the woods, add a flat - maybe even uphill! this is 'hike-to' terrain! - maybe one run 10 ft. wide bail out kind of trail down the mountain, there, then a horizontal flat traverse back to where paradise runs into the flat run out... Put some snow blowers in woods! Have man made snow in the trees! AND LIGHTS! North america's only hike-to side country with snow making and night skiing! A traverse is hardly hike to. No bad idea...they need more wide trails to spread out the people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFskiDan Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 i like trees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justo8484 Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 The food is good, and the prices are perfectly fair for ski area food. Can you find better food cheaper? Sure. Can you find crappier food for more money at other ski areas? Yup. Just because some people on here don't give a crap about anything that happens up top and come for an hour and a half to straightline top to bottom, does not mean that a good portion of blue's normal customers don't care about that. I'd be all for thinning out some underbrush off trail at blue, but I wouldn't hold my breath for it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbike-ski Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 food and menu are decent, they always have good beers flowing. some decent performers - craig thatcher etc. a few nights last year the food/beer/tunes were better than the skiing. the bar and restaurant spaces are beautiful, I think barb way overspent for blue, but it's gorgeous. I always thought bc's lodge and bar were nice but this is even nicer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schif Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Have fun waiting and wishing for brush clearing in the trees at blue while I'm busy doing top to bottom laps through the trees at Montage in fresh untouched stuff 8 days after a storm. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrilledSteezeSandwich Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I still haven't been upstairs in the summit lodge since they redid it. Have fun waiting and wishing for brush clearing in the trees at blue while I'm busy doing top to bottom laps through the trees at Montage in fresh untouched stuff 8 days after a storm. 8 days after a storm lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFskiDan Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 lets not forget where we live. i think the past two years would be considered way above average years in snowfall and below average in temps, anything off trail with any kind of pitch to it will require some snowmaking assistance to make it skiable more often then not. I still like trees though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 lets not forget where we live. i think the past two years would be considered way above average years in snowfall and below average in temps, anything off trail with any kind of pitch to it will require some snowmaking assistance to make it skiable more often then not. I still like trees though. That's why my plan includes snow guns..... Just needs a catchy phrase..... 'Ski the new glades at Blue with Assisted Coverage (instead of man made snow...)'. 'Our glades feature Power Powder, for refills even on sunny days....' Something like that..... Oh, and also lights. No one has tree skiing at night.....This is gonna be big. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Law Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Blowing snow into a heavily treed area often kills the trees. Blue's beer is pretty good, decent selection and prices are pretty cheap for a ski area. One day Blue is gonna get sold to a Powder or Boyne and we are all gonna realize how good we had it. Name how many places you can drink beer in their parking lot and generally act a fool and they are 100% cool with it. Seriously go down to your local tennis courts and do the weekend blue thing and watch how fast the cops roll up. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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